S3 Ep. 182 Embracing your Divinity

Speaker 1: Hello there, welcome to the World Cafe podcast. This podcast has been designed with created content that centers on the power of words. Can we really do anything without speaking? Can we really do anything without the agency of words? Yes, that is what this podcast is all about, and I am your host , amakri Isugwe, your neighborhood word trader. I believe in the power of words , for it is the unit of creation . I trade in words to profit my world. Hello there, how are we all doing? Okay, today I'm not going to scream the way I usually do. That for obvious reasons. I want to be calm today because I have this amazing personality on the show. But I'm still going to ask you that question. Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, how are you all doing? I'm not asking this rhetorically. I'm asking because I care. I'm doing the work where I am yes, in the city of Abuja. So I have this amazing, amazing personality. The first time I came across her , I was like I didn't know where to place her, you know. But listening to her over and over and over again, I see that there's more. You know, when you see a book, don't just look at the book. Open the pages and you will see a lot. She's an amazing personality. She describes herself as a warrior and she will tell us why she calls herself that when I bring her home. I know you want to see her. Her name is Gruntiati, that's the way she describes herself, and when she comes you see the face of her. Okay, where is she? Where is she? And there she is. How are you doing? Speaker 2: I am very well. Speaker 1: I'm very well. Everything is as it should be. All is well. Welcome to the World. Speaker 2: Cafe Podcast. Speaker 1: It's an honor having you here thank you and I'm honored to be here, like I. I mean, I was before I brought you on. I was telling my audience a wonderful personality you are. I don't think I'm into you. I think instagram or not, because of instagram and the person talking not the name, but the person and what's her voice does not look like a face. You know time? Yes, I took my time and listening over and over again and it's like, oh, there's so much about this personality and you've blessed me in so many ways and I know those who listen to you. They are blessed. Like you always say, this is my work, what you do with it, it's you, please. That's the way you always end your thoughts, and so I would go on. So welcome to the show. So I'm happy to meet you. Who is this wonderful personality? Speaker 2: Mantia? Wow, you know, good to meet you . Who is this wonderful personality, fantea? Wow, you know, I used to describe myself as a troublemaker before, and you know that was based on inaccurate labeling, I would say . You know. So I was one of these. I was a child who was very present in the present and was, you know, and had a lot of curiosity about me and I asked a lot of questions and I think that that then garnered a reputation as a troublemaker, somebody who was always putting their neck where the neck was not supposed to be, kind of thing. But as I got older and I settled more within myself, my soul, my spirit, I realized that , you know, what I was really seeking was peace. And you know, regardless of you know, when I found myself in situations where, um, where that was not the status quo, which is what it's intended to be, um, you know, I would stir up what people describe as trouble, and so, um, I I have, uh, I have alleviated myself of that label now, and so I refer to myself as a, as a peacemaking, light worker, uh, because I am light. So that's how I would describe myself. Speaker 1: Amazing. You know, the first, like I said, the first time I saw you, I went searching, reading about you and I discovered you are into this space where you kind of give voice to those who don't have voice when it comes to trafficking and all that. And I was like okay, okay, what really drove you into that space? Speaker 2: okay. So I think the first thing I just want to clear clarify is that you know everyone, that we work with everyone, that we partner with. Um does have a voice, right. So, um, there's no such. There's no such thing as you know uh, voiceless or um, yeah, I think that there's no such thing, as you know voiceless, voiceless, yeah. I think that there's some people in society whose voices have been muted, you know, in many ways, or whose voices have been totally obliterated in many ways. But because we are divinity, because we come from the divine right, there is no way to eliminate a voice, and so my role is really to amplify the voices. So when people say your voice for the voiceless, I'm like no, no, no, my voice. Speaker 1: I'm just a loudspeaker. Speaker 2: I'm a loudspeaker, you know, and so I got into it because and the way that feels most authentic to my spirit and my soul is that this is what I was called to do. It's a, it's a mission for me, and it was something that I really wasn't. My life would not have have had a sense of fulfillment had I not gone down this path right, and I would have been doing a disservice to my own voice had I not followed the leading of the Spirit to embark on the work that I'm doing now. And so you know there were many , many different. You know cues and hints and confirmations, and you know in Christian circles they would say prophetic words. They would say, you know declarations that really just confirmed that this was the path that I was intended to be on. But I would say that the most compelling thing that really ensured that I got on this path was just the confirmation in my own spirit by the Spirit of God. So it's my life's work, it's a call. Speaker 1: And I see your background is in law. You studied law in school and somehow it's coming parts of what you do, correct? Speaker 2: yes, yeah. So you know, I'm one of the people that doesn't believe. I don't believe that any experience is ever wasted. Um, I believe that everything that that happens in our life is all part of of a divine journey , right including detours, which I see as know, as also divine as well. And so, you know, I was a partner partner at my law firm. I practiced in corporate America for about 13 years before I segued into what it is that my life had been beckoning for me to do for quite some time . And so all of that experience uh, my managerial skills, um, because I was, you know, managing one of our, um, uh one of our satellite offices I was, you know, I was getting a lot of experience and training other lawyers, um on on how to be, uh to be, better lawyers. My negotiation skills, my reasoning, my writing skills all of those things were transported with me and have become transmuted into the work that I'm currently doing. Speaker 1: That's beautiful. I like the way you say that nothing is wasted, because sometimes we say that, oh, I put this in school, I did that, or whatever it's a waste, but somehow all of this coming together to like propel your personality. I mean it speaks for all of you . So what has it been like for you as in within this space, for the past, you know, for the time you've been doing it, what has it been like? Speaker 2: With the trafficking work you mean yes yeah, yeah, you know, I mean I would say that it's, it's certainly been challenging and and um, but challenging, not in necessarily in a bad way, because I think that word tends to have a negative connotation, uh to it. But when you are in a space that is unfamiliar to you, you have, you know, generally have two options you either move head on or, you know, you cower back , or you shrink back away from the challenge. And you know, I think, with my pedigree and the ancestors that are backing me, there was no option but to move forward. And you know my name, the nickname that my father, the late Bente Nida Husa, gave me. He started calling me Pathfinder from when I was nine, and so I think that's indicative a lot of my personality. And you know there is a way you must make it way out, of no way . And you know there is a way you must make a way out of no way I mean because, because we are divinity and we are divine, we get to create, you know, as God, and so when you find yourself in a space where things are unfamiliar, the path is always forward Right, unless you know. You're in a temporary hold for learning, and so it's been challenging in the sense that it's pushed me to develop, you know, other aspects of my own skills and to grow in areas, but I think the most instrumental difference that I certainly would describe is you know how enlarged my heart has become. You know the level of compassion that I've been able to hold and embrace and also convey to other people who are not necessarily related to me, but simply because they are an extension of the grace, the mercy and the divinity of God. I'm able to recognize my connectedness to all that is, and as a result of that, I would say my heart is certainly the part that I would say has been stretched in the most beautiful and divine way. Speaker 1: Beautiful. I mean the way you describe that divinity embracing divinity . When somebody will hear you first, I'm like what does she mean by that? But I enjoy it. You record my that you are the identity and connected with it. It speaks for you. So I saw you doing the warfare when the support called you off stage and I was really surprised . I was really surprised, you know, but when you came off stage, what you talked about was more of a. I wouldn't call it ancient and modern, but you delivered it in such a way that a younger generation could relate with it At the same time, the older generation too. But this is my question here With what we are seeing happening in our country today and what you spoke about that day, what do you see for the future as a Nigerian speaking about Nigeria now, based on what you spoke about that day? What do you see for the future as a Nigerian speaking about Nigeria now, based on what you shared that day? Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe God has called me for such a time as this, to be a bridge between ancient wisdom and new thoughts and the move of what the Spirit of God is doing. And so I think, when you look at Nigeria through eyes of humanity, there are certainly aspects of it that make you want to question your own sanity. True, but that's why you have to move through the world through a lens of divinity. You have to be able to understand that there is purpose in everything, that everything that happens to you happens for a reason. Um, the current state of the country is as a result of our collective consciousness, or I should better said, our collective unconsciousness, right, um, moving through the world in a manner that, um, that operates at a level where, you know, the average nigerian is really just trying to survive, right, and in when you're in that survival mode, um, there is no space to really recognize, right, to really recognize the level of divinity that you have that results in transformation of the country. And so that is part of why, you know, I feel that God has called me to be that bridge, you know, in many ways to help people awaken to their divinity, because it's once people come alive, once people understand that they have the power within themselves to be able to change, transform, you know, reverse if they need to, you know, speak by your words. Life into your current circumstances is really where the transformation will start to take place in Nigeria, and so that is what I feel is a missing aspect of the country and which I hope well, not hope which I believe that is the aspect that my voice will be able to contribute to be able to move us , move us forward. Speaker 1: Now I've seen you as in your space, you know. I see the people around your space people. You collaborate with people who gravitate towards you. Mine is like Dr Foy. What is his name? Speaker 2: Bankole Williams, name Bankole. Speaker 1: Williams, bankole Williams. Thank you, and I tell myself I'm not surprised, because these people, they think like you. Now my question here, is how do you create? Because you talked about collective consciousness. Now, how do we build that critical mass based on this collective consciousness and moving our nation forward? Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that's the task, right, because you know the overwhelming majority of people are not in that space yet because of the reality and the economic downturn and just the day to day systemic injustice, right, that has been accepted in, or that's been that's been forced upon, the overwhelming majority, been that's been forced upon the overwhelming majority. And so I think one of the ways is that those of us who have the platforms you know through, for example, living this space through your podcast everybody has to understand that we are collectively creating the Nigeria that we see, right. And so those of us who have the platforms, whether it's through your social media, whether it's through your pulpit, whether, if you're a mom as a mosque, whether you have, whether you have, whether you're a teacher at a school those of us who have the platforms to influence right, which is to inspire others to be more of themselves right, not to be more like you, but to be more of themselves. If you have the platform to be able to do that, that's where those voices have to start essentially proliferating the space. Right, because there has to be a counter to what has been accepted as the norm. What we see in Nigeria is not the intention. This was not what you know the source, the universe. You know God intended it has been hijacked. You know god intended, um, it has been hijacked, you know, in many ways. And so the first step I think is for is for those of us who have the platforms, who are awakening, uh, to our own divinity, to, to start to utilize those platforms, um, in a way that will ensure that more people are also receiving the message and understanding who they are. Speaker 1: Beautiful. Now I see you look like someone who writes a lot, who processes a lot, and I noticed you write your thoughts and you read your thoughts at the same time, because I was talking to you and I I'm like how does she do that ? Because your thoughts are reaching down and actually you, you read them and you flow with them. Tell me, how do you, how do you get to do that? Speaker 2: well, here, here's, here's, the secret. The truth of the matter is that your entire life is a reflection of your thoughts. It's a reflection of your thoughts, right? So everything that you think, um, you know, translates into your words, and that then essentially translates into your , into your beliefs, and your beliefs translate into your reality, right? And so I can look at you and say you know what this life that you are living, it clearly came from what you've been thinking and you know. But that's, I think that's one aspect of it, um, but the other aspect, too, is that it's a gift , you know, god has given me. You know, the same way that my skin is is beautifully brown, um , you know, there are many. There are many people who are gifted in other things, like mathematics, for example, was not quite my gift. You know I, um, I, I still count on my fingers. You know I'm not the accountant in the office, but you know I have the wisdom to hire somebody , um, that can help me, um, make up that gap. But I know the things that I've been gifted in, I know the things that I have an ability in , right? So a lot of what I would say is that some of it is definitely the divine flowing through me, but in addition to that, you have to put in the work, right. So, just because you're gifted, you know hard work will outwork . You know somebody who's just talented, who's relying just on their talent any day, and so when you combine hard work plus natural gifting and talent is where you will excel, and so I would say it's a combination of all of those things. The fact that my thoughts are focused on positivity are focused on ensuring that you know what I, what I, the understanding that what I think is so powerful that it will reflect in my life, right. The fact that I'm conscious about those thoughts is one aspect of it. The fact that I'm also gifted is another aspect of it. And then you know the fact that I put that I'm intentional in growing my gift is the third aspect of it. Speaker 1: Beautiful. Now I'm going to ask you about the last question of this and maybe piggyback on how you unwind and all of that. We are always fascinated when we go down memory lane or history and we come upon your legacy or your father's legacy. I think your father would read about it the first time I came upon it, that was, I think, in my SS1 or so Fire in His Bones and I read about it my late dad. Whenever he talks about your dad, you see this energy that comes alive. So it's like I can't imagine people who were very close to him in terms of proximity. What was it like seeing him every day, wake up in the morning, normal what was it like ? Speaker 2: It was very normal. I think a lot of people are expecting me to say that he was levitating around the house, you know, constantly speaking in tongues, raising people from the dead. You know, like just you know in this, you know alternate reality, but my father was definitely somebody who understood his divinity. He understood who he was and his connection. You know, he was someone who I describe as having made conscious contact with the divine, and so that aspect of his life was certainly very, very clear, right for all to see . But on a day-to-day level, he was a human being and you know, I think a lot of people are sometimes disappointed when I tell them that. You know, he had his own issues that he was dealing with, you know, but he was also a very intentional and loving father. I mean, he was somebody who ensured that his children had everything that they needed, and I appreciate this aspect of him , that he didn't raise us with a sense of entitlement to anything. If you liked his car, then look , I will give you the education, I will put you in a position to be able to get the tools to be able to get your own car. But this one that you're looking at, this one, is mine, and I appreciated that gift that he gave to his children, because we didn't grow up with this sense of entitlement to anything. We knew we had to work hard to be able to achieve our own successes that would stand completely independent of his right. And so, um, I would say that, you know, I like to say that my dad was not somebody that anybody would meet. Um, anybody that came into the presence of my dad experienced him. You know, my father was an experience because he was such a powerful presence, because of that conscious contact that I referenced, that he had made with his divinity. Speaker 1: Amazing. I like that simplicity, you know, like the way you put it. And just one meeting, like you said, platicating around the house, speaking in tongues and whatever it's, just like any of us, embracing his divinity, knowing that this is who I am and this is what I mean I was created for Such a powerful, would I say, approach to life. So how do you Unwind? You appear to be somebody who is very busy Going around things . How do you rest? How do you? Speaker 2: Yes, I am busy, but just as important to me is self-care, because I recognize that the more busy I am, the less I show up for myself. And I'm not, you know, unfortunately. You know my father passed away when he was 59. It was obviously, I'm sure that was the. You know, unfortunately, you know, my father passed away when he was 59. It was obviously, I'm sure that was the, you know, the divine call for his life at that time. But I recognized too the level of busyness that he had and I don't want that for myself, I guess, as much as it was impactful for the world. And you know there are many people that encountered God through his ministry. But I recognize for myself that for me to be the best of all that God intended, I have to take care of myself, and so I exercise. I'm very intentional about meditation, very intentional about, about, about meditation. Uh, that is something that I do every single day, um, because that's the way that my, my, my um, spirit man connects to, uh, my humanity, uh, and that's that's how I, that's that's how I, um, I ensure that every encounter with me, uh, is, is, um, makes people feel seen, you know, by God, and so that is one of the. You know, those are two of the things I would say. I mean, I spend a lot of time writing, I read a lot, I'm a, I'm a lifelong learner, I'm constantly learning, I'm interested in growth, I have a growth mindset, and so the things I do to just relax, you know, I give myself a maximum of one hour a day on all my social media platforms. So, you know, once one hour is done, everything blacks out or grays out on my phone. So I don't spend a lot of time, you know, just mindlessly scrolling through, because again , again, a lot of what you see on social media, believe it or not, um, programs your unconscious, um, or your subconscious mind, and so if you're not intentional about what you are ingesting, um, you, you you then cannot be intentional about what is actually coming out, um, out of you. And so those are some of the things. Yeah, I mean exercise, writing, reading and meditation. Thank you. Speaker 1: Thank you. I think you just said something that most of us it's not as if we're not aware of it, we take it for granted, but hearing it from somebody who is super busy and at the same time is productive. I think it goes along with the point that wisdom of rest, take care of yourself, take care of this body, take care of this temple, because from it flows the issues of life. And what have you? Guys will be talking with Ramti at day. They will agree with me, she's unspoken, but those words are powerful when they hit you. They hit you so well. You know they hit you so well. Now, before I let her go, there's something she does. If you follow her on her IG page and the way she says it at the end, it doesn't leave you. I want her to do it. I don't the way she says it and ends it. It doesn't leave her. I want her to do it. I don't know if she has done it today already, but I know she has something for us today, so I will allow her to do her thing and we'll call it a day. You have the floor. Speaker 2: Greetings, fam, greetings, fam. Yeah, so, on my way, on my way, way to right, before I started this interview, actually, um, a friend, I was having lunch, uh, with a friend of mine earlier and you know she had mentioned how, the fact that bodino, before I owned right, um and um, and again, I think that goes, you know, to to the fact that we , we, we, you, even though we're divine, we recognize our humanity as well, and so it's important that you're taking care of your mind, your soul and your body, because that is essentially what informs the power in which you show up into the world. So make sure you're doing that. Ok, those are my thoughts of the day. Speaker 1: Do with them as you will I love how she says that and I always go back to do with it. I will be honest as you will now. Speaker 2: You know now you know , now you know you, you know why . You know, oh, Barry. Speaker 1: Thank you so much, guys. It's been an amazing time with Rantia Day and you know how we do it. This is the space where we come in to lean on one another's experience, to forge a positive path, and today we just have this bolt of energy from her and , honestly, there is positivity for her. I wish I could keep her for, you know, ever, but she has a lot to do and I have to let her go till I come your way again. You know I will see you on the show. Bye for now. Until then. Speaker 2: Bye. Speaker 1: Bye, thank you. Awesome time it has been with you on the World Cafe podcast today. Thank you for being there. You can catch me up on my social media handles Twitter, facebook, linkedin and Instagram , all at Amakri Isoboye. Also, you can get copies of my books A Cocktail of Words, the Color of Words by H Aaron Notebook and Hawkers Focus on God on Amazon and Roving Heights online bookstores. You can also subscribe to my YouTube channel at the same address at Amakri Issawe. I'd love to hear from you and how this podcast has impacted you. I'd love to hear from you and how this podcast has impacted you. You can leave me a message at my email address. I'm Macri Garibaldi at gmailcom . That is A-M-A-C-H-R-E-E-E-G-A-R-I-B-A-L-D-I . Yes, till I come your way again . Bye for now.