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SPEAKER_00: Welcome to my world.
Good morning, good afternoon,
good evening, good everything.
Wherever you are listening to me
on the surface of the earth.
SPEAKER_01: How are you?
I'm fine.
SPEAKER_00: I'm really, really
fine.
And I'm excited, happy coming
into the studio sitting here to
share moments with you.
It's beautiful.
Thank you.
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
SPEAKER_00: It's been an amazing
season in the continent of
Africa.
SPEAKER_01: And uh this episode,
I don't intend to offend
anybody, but I want us to look
at it as a people and ask
ourselves certain questions.
SPEAKER_00: It is about the
xenophobic and aphrophobic
incidents in Africa.
SPEAKER_01: So a lot has been
going on, like I said, in the
continent of Africa, and our
brothers from South Africa have
uh been speaking.
And you know, I sat down and I
asked myself, hate is actually
taught.
We don't born, we were not born
with the gene to hate people.
It was as in we actually learn
how to hate people.
SPEAKER_00: So I went down
memory lane.
I went into the archives to
search out certain things.
If you're not careful, you would
say things and do things that
will affect the next generation
and generation and generation
because of one silly mistake or
stupid mistake you made.
Timeline of major xenophobic and
aphrophobic incidents in Africa.
Yeah, that's what I want to do
today.
SPEAKER_01: And I want to just
take you through certain
timelines and see a pattern
being repeated itself or being
repeated and see if we can
courageously stem it, you know,
and say, stop.
SPEAKER_00: So before I go on, I
was listening to Vuzi
Tembequayo.
We all know him, a good number
of us know him.
Our brother from South Africa
and uh on platform.
He spoke recently on the
platform organized by Pastor
Poju Oyema Day.
And before he went into his
conversation, he he spoke to the
xenophobic attacks and all that.
And the way he spoke, in my
opinion, he was trying to, you
know, stay clear of certain
things.
And he he used words like, they
are trying to pitch us against
ourselves.
And I, as an individual, each
time I hear such lines, it's
like, who had a day?
If we know the day, then we
should be ready to fight the
day.
Like he ended, we are the light,
be the light, and all of that.
So 1950s to 1960s, we're looking
at Afrophobic and xenophobic
incidents in Africa from 1926 to
2026.
Decolonization era, Ghana in
1969, aliens compliance order.
Follow my thoughts.
Prime Minister Kofi Buswea
ordered undocumented foreigners
to leave Ghana.
Hundreds of thousands of West
African migrants, especially
Nigerians, Togo nationals, and
upper voter now called Burkina
Faso citizens were expelled.
One of Africa's earliest
large-scale post-independence
anti-foreigners action.
Uganda, nineteen seventy two,
expulsion of Asians.
Idi Amin expelled approximately
sixty thousand to eighty
thousand Asians, mainly of
Indian and Pakistani descent.
Businesses and properties were
seized.
This remains one of the largest
xenophobic expulsion in modern
African history.
The nineteen eighties, Nigeria,
nineteen eighty-three, mass
expulsion of foreign nationals.
Amid economic recession, Nigeria
expelled over one million
migrants, mostly Ghanaians.
The phrase Ghana must go became
associated with the migration
crisis.
Migrants from Togo, Niger, Chad,
and Bene were also affected.
Nigeria again, nineteen
eighty-five, second expulsion
wave, another large-scale
deportation of foreign workers
occurred during economic
hardship.
Nineteen nineties, Côte
d'Ivoire, nineteen nineties,
avarite campaign, growing
political movements questioning
the nationality of migrants and
descendants of migrants from
Burkina Faso, Mali, and Guinea
led to discrimination, expulsion
from politics and violence,
became one of the drivers of the
Ivorean civil conflict.
South Africa post nineteen
ninety four, rise of
post-apatide xenophobia.
After apartheid ended, South
Africa became a destination for
migrants from Zimbabwe,
Mozambique, Malawi, Somalia,
Ethiopia, Nigeria, and
elsewhere.
Anti-immigrant sentiment became
increasingly visible in
townships and informal
settlements.
South Africa, the epicenter of
modern Afrophobic violence, most
documented Afrophobic attacks in
South Africa, in Africa, beg
your pardon, during the last
three decades have occurred in
South Africa.
1998, Johannesburg and Cape
Town, foreign migrants from
Senegal and Mozambique were
attacked by mobs.
Human rights groups marked this
as one of the earliest major
xenophobic incidents in
democratic South Africa.
2000 to 2007, repeated township
attacks.
Somali, Ethiopians, Zimbabweans,
and Mozambican shopkeepers were
frequently targeted.
Numerous murders, assaults, and
looting incidents were recorded
across Geltec and Western Cape
provinces.
2008, South Africa's deadliest
xenophobic violence.
Violence began in Alexandria,
Alexandria Township near
Johannesburg, spreads rapidly
across seven provinces.
Migrants from Mozambique,
Zimbabwe, Somali, Malawi,
Ethiopia, and other African
countries were targeted.
At least sixty-two people were
killed.
Thousands were injured.
Around a hundred thousand people
were displaced.
Countries most affected
Mozambique, Zimbabwe, Malawi,
Somalia, and Ethiopia.
2015, Durban and Johannesburg
attacks.
Violence erupted in
KwaZulu-Natal before spreading
nationally.
Foreign-owned businesses were
looted.
Several migrants were killed.
Malawi, Zimbabwe, Mozambique,
and other states evacuated
citizens.
The killing of Mozambique
migrant Emanuel Chitol became
internationally known.
Countries affected Mozambique,
Zimbabwe, Malawi, Ethiopia,
Bangladesh among non-African
migrants.
2017, anti-Nigerian
demonstrations.
Nigerian owned businesses became
political, became particular
targets.
Diplomatic tension between
Nigeria and South Africa
increased.
2019, Johannesburg, Pretoria and
Gottag.
I hope I got that correctly.
Major attacks focused on
foreign-owned shops and
businesses.
Nigerians, Ethiopians, Somalis,
Zimbabweans, Congolese migrants
were targeted.
Several deaths occurred.
Nigeria temporarily boycotted
the World Economic Forum Africa
meeting in Cape Town.
Relations between South Africa
and several African states
deteriorated.
2020 to 2022, Operation Doodoula
campaign.
Vigilante style anti-migrant
movement emerged.
Foreign nationals were accused
of taking jobs and public
services.
Migrants reported intimidation,
exclusion from health care, and
violent attacks.
Human Rights Watch documented
widespread harassment.
Affected groups: Zimbabweans,
Nigerians, Ethiopians, Somalis,
Congolese, Mozambique.
2024 to 2026, renewed
anti-migrant violence.
New anti-immigration groups,
expanded activities, violence,
looting, forced displacement,
and attacks on migrant
communities intensified in parts
of Western Cape, Guteng, and
KwaZulu-Natal.
Multiple African governments
issued travel advisories or
repatriated citizens.
Nigerian, Ghanaian, Malawian,
Mozambican, Zimbabwean, and
Ethiopian nationals were among
those affected.
So do we see a pattern here?
And there's something about
patterns, if not broken.
SPEAKER_01: It will repeat
itself over and over and over
and over.
So who's who's benefiting at the
end of the day?
Who's losing?
Obviously you know the answer.
How do we solve the problem?
Somebody will ask.
The way children will always
say, why not we sit down and eat
together?
Why not we sit and eat together?
Is it that difficult?
Is it that difficult?
SPEAKER_00: I think the most
simple things in life is what we
run away from.
We rather run towards
complexities.
SPEAKER_01: That's what we do.
I have traveled a bit around the
world.
I have, yes, I have.
SPEAKER_00: And one thing I know
about Nigerians, we're very
resilient people.
SPEAKER_01: Very, very.
If there's something the world
doesn't know about Nigerians,
we're loving people.
SPEAKER_00: You may not agree
with me, but if you're still
around Nigerians, you will know
what I'm talking about.
SPEAKER_01: We love.
We love filling spaces for good.
True Nigerian spirit.
Yeah, true Nigerian spirit.
SPEAKER_00: If you sit with a
Nigerian at a coffee shop or
whatever, he won't allow you
pay.
He will pay.
It's not because he has so much,
it's because that's how we
behave.
I'm not saying we don't have
some negative elements around
us.
SPEAKER_01: But you know that
much of what we see in terms of
development in Africa to the
world is from this.
SPEAKER_00: We have made our own
mistakes, like from what I read.
When you say an eye for an eye,
this is what an eye for an eye
does.
It means everybody will go
blind.
We all go blind.
If you've read the story of the
merchant of Venice when he was
asking for a pound of flesh.
And he said, a pound of flesh I
must get.
And when the lawyer came in and
said, You requested for a pound
of flesh.
He said, Yes, that was what we
agreed, if it doesn't pay back.
SPEAKER_01: And the lawyer now
asked, did the agreement state
blood?
SPEAKER_00: He was quiet because
this is a pound of flesh.
So it means if you have to take
a pound of flesh, you mustn't
spill any blood.
You just take a pound of flesh.
How is that possible?
If I take a pound of flesh, then
he will bleed.
No, the contract says a pound of
flesh.
SPEAKER_01: So you must take a
pound of flesh without spilling
any blood.
So you see, an eye for an eye,
we all go blind.
My idea of this episode is to
speak to us as people, Africans,
Nigerians, South Africans.
SPEAKER_00: So something
happened the other day when
South Africa was playing against
Mexico in this World Cup.
SPEAKER_01: I must tell you the
truth, I felt bad.
When I saw Nigerians supporting
Mexico, a part of me was like,
okay, this is what you pay.
This is a price you pay.
But I didn't feel good about it.
SPEAKER_00: Even before coming
on set for this edition, we're
talking about it.
And some somehow it's like South
Africa out of the World Cup,
some of us were wanted to be
happy that they I said, no, they
qualify.
I think they beat, they lost the
first game, drew one, and they
won the other game, the la their
last game in the group series.
So they've advanced.
I think it was Vuzitim Dequir's
page that I saw it even, you
know, and some Nigerians were
really not happy about.
SPEAKER_01: That's what hatred
does.
That's what it does.
But again, do we want to see
ourselves?
Do you want to break free?
Do we want to live and rise
above the challenge?
SPEAKER_00: Then I think we have
to be the better person in the
room.
We have to be the better person
in the room.
We don't have to reinforce
failure and evil and pardons and
bring our entire generation
under this shackle of hatred.
SPEAKER_01: It's like we're just
waiting to hit the self-destruct
button.
Yeah, that's what we're doing.
I hope we get to see ourselves
and appreciate ourselves as
Africans, as human beings, and
reach out.
I'm gonna end with this.
SPEAKER_00: Do you know why I
believe the Bible?
Because most of the things, if
not all, when I'm on set, you
always hear me.
Most of the principles, I put it
through.
SPEAKER_01: The Bible is the
only book that tells me, love
your enemy.
Pray for those who hate you.
I have not seen it anyway.
So let me know in the Bible.
That a man is hanging on the
cross to be killed.
And those who are killing him,
he's begging for them.
SPEAKER_00: And then he's
pleading for them.
And he uses, I mean, he used a
word that is a line that blew my
mind.
Forgive them because they are
ignorant.
SPEAKER_01: Like they know not
what they do.
With his last breath, he saved a
thief on the cross.
Can beat it.
You can't beat it.
And that's where I stand.
Painful as it might sound, it is
the truth.
And the truth you know.
Set you free.
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SPEAKER_01: Till I come away
again.
I mean Mr.
Macri.
Amakri is away.
Bye for now.