S3 Ep. 213 Transforming Leadership and Harnessing Diaspora for Nigeria's Future

Speaker 1: Okay, hi. You know I'm going to start that way, even if I say hi, good morning, good afternoon, good evening, good everything. Welcome to the World Cafe live show. How are you doing? I will ask that question because it means a lot to me. I've been here partly because of you being there, and you know how we say. This is the space where we come in yes, to lean on one another's experience, to forge a positive path. It's been amazing these few days. You know, yes, we're in the festive season now. There's a lot happening around us. Well, we will give you positivity from this end. I'm excited. I will tell you why I'm excited because I am not alone on set today. I have this amazing personality . His name rings a bell, yes, whenever you hear it. Within the coaching space, transformation, training even nation building. Yes, in Nigeria, in Africa, and I will. Yes, in Nigeria, in Africa, and I will say it authoritatively, globally None other than Jimmy Tewe yes, he's on the set with me today. Speaker 2: Thank you, it's great to be here today how do I address you now? Speaker 1: How do you like being called Mr Tewe or JT? Speaker 2: is good, jt, it's easy, you look good. Thank you, appreciate it, you know seeing you virtually all the time but now we're seeing you in flesh, face to face. Speaker 1: Yeah, it's my pleasure being here. Thank you, thank you, thank you , thank you. Well, guys, like I said, he's not a stranger to things like this. I won't go into all of that. I'll allow him to introduce himself so that we will hear from not just the horse's mouth now, but from the lip of the lion himself. Jt, go ahead. Speaker 2: All right. Thank you. First and foremost. It's really great again to be here today. I'm happy that the connection has happened and I want to say well done, big well done. I took my time to watch a couple of past podcasts. Speaker 1: And I'll say very big well done to you, I don't say yes to everything. Speaker 2: I know I don't actually, but again, I think that the motivation behind what you're doing also aligns with what I believe in, and so that's why I'm here. So I'm JT Jimmy Tewe. About me, I grew up in the city of Ibbadu okay, a couple of years ago, a few years um ago, and um I moved to lagos in 2001, 2002, for my nyse. Okay, at that time, um I, after 22 years, I'll just say to people that my passion, people are my passion, and that is at different levels People as individuals, people as members of an organization and more importantly, people as citizens of the nation. I believe so much in the capacity that God has put in each one of us, but I realize that life happens to us and many times it shapes us and gives a version that sometimes is suboptimal. But I believe that that is part of the excitement of life the opportunity to be transformed so that, even if I am currently giving a version of myself, I can still become a better version. So I'm committed to initiatives and work that basically helps individuals, organizations and nations to be able to become the best that they can be. Speaker 1: I like the way you approach the subject of people. It's not in isolation. You talk about community, you talk about organizations, you talk about nations. It speaks to the potential within people and how these potentials connect. And all of that. When you mentioned NYSE, I remember you talking about publishing a book. Tell us about that. Speaker 2: My first book, incidentally, I believe it was 2004. I always knew I was probably going to write. I never really knew I was going to be speaking, you know, and all that, but my first book, interestingly, I started to write it in Abuja. I had, seriously, I was working in an NGO I'm called Junior Achievement and at that time and that, um, I was put in an apartment, that the TV did not work, and I think it was just divine providence, you know. So that made me, you know, take time to just write and I began to write the book, and that was my first. I've written 11 books now to date. But for me, books are extensions of just who I am, with the desire to be able to help people to be able to transition to better versions of themselves. Speaker 1: Yes, yeah Now. You've been on this journey for 22 years. Speaker 2: Yes, please. Speaker 1: Now, if someone walks up to you and say JT, I like what you do, I love what you do, I follow you and all that, how do I get to this level? Yeah, you are at now. Speaker 2: Yes. Speaker 1: Very instant. Yes, what would be your response? Speaker 2: Again, first thing I like to say to people. People say to me I. Again first thing I like to say to people. People say to me I want to be like you when I grow up. And I'm like that's a mistake. You have to be the best fashion of yourself. Because again, you know, I mean when we're growing up they'll say, oh, this person is intelligent, this one's not intelligent. But the default truth is that everybody's intelligent. However, our intelligences are in different dimensions. So some people are word smart, some people are picture smart, some people are physical, body, kinesthetic smart, some people tend to now be the bookworms, and all that. And because our educational system tends to reward those people, they seem to be more intelligent than others. But you put those in boats, in a physics class, he will fail, but on the field he uses to actually move ahead of others he uses physics, he does exactly. Yeah, so you just need to. So when I meet people, I try to . I believe that life is meant to be lived from the inside out, and so one of the things that we do is a bit of introspection. I believe that the way that God designed each one of us, what and who we are meant to be somehow is wired on the inside of us, but many times we're tempted by the physical senses to try to get our definitions of success from the outside all right. I see a lot of people, for example, that are very driven for a lot of profit and losing themselves in the process. But if you find yourself, there's profit there if you find yourself yes, there is there's profit, there's profit there. Speaker 1: There's profit there you know your definition of success here, completely, would I say, trumps what we see in society. Typical. And all that Because when you find yourself, there's profit, yeah, but somehow a good number of us go after the profit and we forget ourselves. Yes, yes, Now you speak to organizations and you speak to communities you speak to, uh, the nation, or the globe, as it were? How, let us look at it from organizational standpoint? How can an organization get the best out of its people? Yeah the best. Speaker 2: Now should I say, translating into the wider narrative okay, I think, first and foremost, um, I've, in recent times, I had to focus a whole lot more on executive coaching, um, as against the typical training for organizations or even consulting . Yeah, because I realized that one of the big things that happens is that many leaders do have gaps, and I believe every organization is a reflection of the leadership. That's the truth about it. The people ultimately become like the leaders. Speaker 1: All right. Speaker 2: Now, one of the things I say to people is this that leadership as an organization, as an entity, there should be some sort of vision. There should be some sort of goal that you are after and that should actually even define the people that you bring along with you. I find that a lot of times people just say profits and so, for example, you're in a business field, something opens up, but it's not really an alignment. It's like Apple and Global deciding that they want to start going into energy right now. That's not who they are. I don't know whether they're going to change tomorrow, maybe, but for now we know that they are in the technology space a whole lot more and there's so much opportunity that is there. I tell people that, in as much as you must respond to opportunities, don't ever forget who you are Now. Sometimes, at the beginning of the journey, you might need to take on some profits to build the capital to move forward. Once you are clear about your vision, people are basically brought on board for the vision to be enabled. All right, the thing that is there is that you have to realize that people are also intrinsically motivated for their own success. So one of the primary you know theories around. Psychology says essentially that you get the best of people when what you want to achieve also aligns with what they want to achieve. So I think that a lot of work has to be done for organizations in providing clarity about what it is they want to do. The recruitment process should actually even start. You should start your recruitment from that perspective, the from that perspective. The other part of it is this that you must realize that the people that you are leading have more latent potential in them than you, the leader. So you can be a great leader, but you have greater people behind you. Now, if you don't have that perspective, you will see people more as human resources rather than human capital. So what a resource typically is something to be expended, a capital is something that can be leveraged. You get my point and I appreciate and all that. So you see people and if you do your recruitment wrong, you will begin to doubt people. I've had conversations I still had a conversation with the ceo of a business this morning and the people are giving her problems here in nigeria stuff that you are paying for and she's paying top tier in the market. And the people are giving her problems here in Nigeria Stuff that you are paying for and she's paying top tier in the market, and the people are making the silliest mistakes. Wow, All right. So there are other dimensions to it. However, one thing I like to say to people is this that if you're leading an organization, just make sure you are clear about what you want to do. Help your people to know what they need to do, who they need to become. Support. Help your people to know what they need to do, who they need to become. Support them in that regard. There are things you have to do to train them, things you have to do to coach them and sometimes things you have to do to let them go, Because at some point you realize we're not going in the same direction, we're not willing to put in the same energy as is required and also reward them appropriately. I mean, this is Nigeria. I've been here for a couple of days and it's tough being here. You get my point. I mean, you breathe in, you breathe out air and money goes out. You get my point. That's the reality about it now . And so, if I'm not empathetic as a leader here in Nigeria, you know and try to find new ways for people to still work effectively without them thinking twice about transportation and those kind of things. We need to begin to think about things like that, yeah. Speaker 1: If I hear you correctly. Let me try and put it in Sure. What I understand, organizations are like platforms for people to self actualize. Very true In that regard. They also help that organization Achieve its goals. Achieve its goals? You know so many CEOs struggle with this. How do you, how do we help them see that? Speaker 2: Wow you have touched on. I told you I moved to executive coaching because I realized that a number you know. There's a statement I always like to share and it was Jesus on the cross and he said Father, forgive them, for they don't know what they're doing. A lot of people are doing stuff . They don't know the implication of what they're doing. Sometimes the pressure of leadership is not enough. You are handling political interference, regulatory interference. Then you now bring people interference. The people that have the least power tend to suffer the most. You can't shout at your regulatory body, you can't shout at the political, so you tend to shout at your staff, and people don't know that that's what they're actually doing. Now, the truth about it is that you must be able to manage all the stakeholders when it comes to the people. I think, for the leadership, we're at a time now where you have to have two dimensions to yourself being able to be firm and focused, but also empathetic and be able to lead people. I tell people that leadership is not the ability to get results, but the ability to get results through people. Leadership is not the ability to get results, but the ability to get results through people, and that's the ability to get results through people. So a lot of people think leadership is getting results and so you can't dispense with results. But it's through people, so it makes it more complex. There's research that shows, for example, that if you push people, that the best you can get out of them is about 30% of their capacity. The remaining 70 is up to those who are able to connect and unlock, and that requires another dimension of leadership. So if you're just operational, you just want to get results, you don't want to connect to them. You say statements like look, I've been paid, do your work, do your work. What you are saying is that I don't really care about your feelings, I don't care about everything that makes you up, Just do your work. And some people they'll do the best they can do, but they will never really give their best. So, it takes another level of leadership, moving beyond positional to where you're able to connect with your people. I mean, I've seen people that have staff that have worked with them and they have done over and above. But go and check it. Those people feel committed to them because of how they connected to them. Speaker 1: Those people feel committed to them because of how they connected to them. I see that most of your principles you know following you listening to your thoughts. They come from that good book. Speaker 2: Oh yes. Speaker 1: Now I'm going to ask you why. Why? Speaker 2: You check my foundation, you'll find that there's a lot that is there. For me, it's never really about a religious difference. I don't have friends. I've seen a friend of mine who is Muslim and we've had great conversation and in this conversation he told me how God told him something. Wow, yes, and all that. I actually believe personally that everybody has access to God . I believe that there's a difference from my own religious inclination that we bring all right, but I believe that we are meant to see bigger results from that perspective. All right, but I was shaped in that space. I have quite a bit of background in that religious dimension. I also have a background in the organization. I've worked in five different organizations and I've also been in the social impact space also . So there's no how. Everything I'm saying, you know it will come and I believe in being authentic. You know some people say, oh, maybe he quotes too much about that. It's okay, You're not my audience, that's fine. But I make sure that whatever I'm sharing is very practical and all that and I do programs for leadership and we're able to take theories, theories from the Bible. I actually believe that the Bible is called scripture script , that there are scripts in it that can be leveraged for success in life. You follow the script. Speaker 1: You get the answers. Speaker 2: You get the answers. Speaker 1: Now let's bring it back home to Nigeria. Yes, please. You're passionate about Nigeria Extremely that. I know when we are now. Currently. How would you describe what should we do? Speaker 2: moving forward. It's tough, as a diaspora, to speak, because you'll say should we have jackpots? What are you trying to say? Somebody told me you lost your right to speak when you relocated. I'm telling you that's pretty harsh. Pretty harsh, but you know I totally get it. I totally understand because you know when you know that's pretty harsh, but you know I I totally get it. I totally understand because you know when you are on the ship and someone says, let me go and get help, let me go and get help, you get my point and that's how it always looks in the interim yeah and all that. But I always tell people that you know, if you have two children, one is at home and one is abroad, proximity doesn't always mean contribution. Proximity doesn't always mean contribution. Proximity doesn't always mean contribution. I like that the child that is abroad might be doing more for the family than the child that is at home. True, so at the end of the day, we measure citizenship by contribution, not proximity. Speaker 1: We measure citizenship. I'm repeating this so that my audience will understand that we have people. Speaker 2: Yes, we, we do, we do , we do. I live in the United States of America. I was in Canada in September for about a month. Yeah, I visited six cities, met with Nigerians in all those locations and I can tell you that there are people that still love this nation. True, in fact, a lot of the social support that is going on right now is coming from Nigerians in the diaspora. In fact, I'll tell you one thing a lot of them they're off WhatsApp because any small update like this you just hear ah bros, help me. Speaker 1: You know all those kinds of things. But that's the reality of it. You get my point so. Speaker 2: I don't think that we should be saying oh, you are abroad, you are not a serious person. We have one nation to build, yeah, but this is 60, 64 years, yeah, after. And I tell people that if something's not working, don't do more. Sit back and check what you are doing. And, um, I think that I was in a forum, um, this weekend and I said it seems to me that what we are when I say we, the general nigerians want, is in nigeria where the son of nobody can become somebody, even if they don't know anybody. It seems to me that what we are when I say we, the general Nigerians, want is a Nigeria where the son of nobody can become somebody, even if they don't know anybody. That's what we really want A fair playing ground. Where there's power, there's access. You know that merit has an opportunity because we currently live in a society where merit really doesn't have an opportunity and where you see people that do not deserve it tend to have a lot of favor, and so that nation must be built, it must be built, and to build you have to start all over again . Speaker 1: Yeah. Speaker 2: And I think that we're going to have to do two things One will be corrective and one will be preventive or futuristic. On one end, we have to live with the nigeria that we have right now, and we have the conversation earlier about the gentleman, and he was calling for heroes, people that can, in their little way, make a contribution. Yeah, I think that, out of 200 million people, if 1 million people decide and say I'm a nigerian and I'm going to do the best I can every single day, All right I think we'll begin to see a bit of a difference, and there are Nigerians doing that. By the way. What you are doing is your contribution in this regard. Thanks. We need a lot more people. I also tell people in diaspora. Every time I get them, I say what are you doing for home? And we're having conversations about what to do. One level I think that, um, at the second you know level is that we need to start thinking about nigeria in 2030, nigeria in 2040, nigeria in 2050. Every nation that underwent transformation never had a four-year plan. It was 40 years. You're talking about singapore. You're talking about every nation, we think generationally, we think election cycles and that, I think, is why we keep having this challenge. So we must have a plan for the election cycles, but we must have a plan for the future. The truth about it is that the people that are going to be the leaders in 20, 30 years they're in the high schools, they're in universities, right now. And if you don't help them, they're going to replicate exactly, in fact, same thing. By that time it'll be worse, yeah. So what we want to do, I'm committed to that. I'm actually doing something right now, um, where, by 2030, I'm trying to work on a program. It's a fellowship, it's called the exponential leaders fellowship, and we want to do this. Started in nigeria, across seven african countries. We're going to the universities and we want to do this, starting in Nigeria, across seven African countries. We're going to the universities and we're running fellowship programs for them. The idea is that we'll be able to raise 10,000 leaders so that, by 2030, at least 1,000 of them will be in positions of authority where they're able to exhibit three things the virtues of leadership, the principles of leadership and the practice of leadership. I think that the deeper one is the virtues. Yeah, because once the heart is right, once the head is right, once the hands are right, the nation will be right. Speaker 1: Now, you just struck a chord there. Generational thinking and generational building. So in course of my research and study, I came upon this text where it pointed to three individuals who shaped the world Hitler, Lerning, Sterling and I think it's Troiki. At the time in Austria, they were living in the same neighborhood, oh wow oh wow, no coincidence in that, not obviously, and the three of them , if you see the way, as in from history, from hindsight, they acted the same way. So, in other words, they were listening to the same voice, voice exactly. So now that brings me to this question what should we be listening to now in our country? And those who are giving that voice, what should they do? Speaker 2: I think we've been through, and usually life is in cycles, you know, and I think that there was a cycle. There's a time when what we call the motivational industry, you know, actually grew. And I think that there's a time when what we call the motivational industry, you know, actually grew. And I think that if there's any time when people believed in Nigeria, it was that time, particularly the younger generation, because they went to campuses. Yeah, they spoke in every place , nook and cranny of Nigeria, and people came out with a strong sense of possibility. Yeah, I think that again. I think that again, those messages need to come back again and need to go to those places. However, they are not complete. It's not incorrect. The challenge was that they are meant to be working with other dimensions at the same time. So, for example, you can inspire people, but you must also educate them on what to do. You must educate them on the path to take. You must educate them about the future, to let them know that when you get here, this is what it is you are going to do. So you have to help them to start from where they are and chart a path for them towards the top. I think that that might be the place where you know there might have been a gap which could have worked better with the corporate organizations, not just to have nice programs, but have something that is intentional for the future. We're going to actually also work with government. When I say government, I'm just talking about federal government , even at the local government level. For people to imagine if 20 years ago, people from universities have been involved in the political system, a lot of things would have changed. We'll have a lot more educated people in that sector, and the outcome, because that is a system, so systems produce outcomes educated people in that sector. And the outcome, because that is a system, so systems produce outcomes. So give it time, the outcomes begin to change. You get my point. So I believe in voices. I believe that right now, the only voice you can raise is the voice of hope. But hope must always be anchored on something, and that's the biggest thing that in my 46 years of being, the biggest thing that I've never in my 46 years of being a Nigerian , I've not seen. Ask me what it is. What was that? What's the vision of Nigeria? Speaker 1: You know I asked that question once on the show. Speaker 2: Yeah, I did and nobody could I went on Google, okay, and I searched some time ago. This was a while back. I was in abuja all right, it's a very powerful. I can speak, yeah, and I was in the hotel and I just had an inspired moment and I checked what's the vision of nigeria and I realized that the only time I really ever shared the vision was um. During the past, president and I had this vision 2020. That was about exactly, you know, and it was actually from a research team in a us um. They were a research team in the united states discovered that Nigeria could actually position to one of the top 20 global economies, and so the idea it was taken, you see, again to my good book. Where there's no vision. What happens? The people cast off restraint, they perish. Speaker 1: What's going on? Speaker 2: That's what is happening, I can tell you. The number one problem is that we don't have a vision. Speaker 1: How do we craft? Speaker 2: that vision? I don't know, do I have like three hours? All right, um, to craft a vision? I'll tell you that vision can't be crafted by people. It has to be crafted by leaders of people. Leaders of, yes, people. Yes, you can't call on yourself and say where are we all going. Some will have to determine where we are going. Then we bring other people along, and I think that that's the responsibility of leadership . Anybody that's in leadership, starting from at the federal level, the president, all the way down. And this is the thing that vision at the local government level. The question is, what local government level? The question is what are we going to become? Because that drives our daily efforts, what we are doing on a day-to-day basis. All right Vision can be crafted using the power of imagination. Matching that also looking at the environment in which you are , in the possibilities and opportunities that are there, and saying to yourself we can chart a course in this direction . And we're saying to ourselves and there's a time, dimension to vision in 20 years will be this Can I say this to you you make statements like in 200 years, you see the nations that really exist. They are not living for today, because the moment you start living for today, you'll get to a point where you have so much money you start telling yourself the problem we have there's a nation in Africa. I'm not yourself. We have that problem. We have there's a nation is how to spend it is I won't tell you . All right, okay, and that's the problem. Because that moment, if there was vision, it to give direction to resources yeah, we'll be benefiting today from that vision, but when you have money without vision, you can go in any direction, and that's exactly what's going on. So I would say, right now, whoever is in leadership when I say leadership, I'm not talking about the president, everybody that's in leadership at some point needs to craft something. But Nigeria, at the leadership level, needs to have a vision, guys. Speaker 1: JT is just giving us basbous, as we say it here? No, I'm just talking he's just giving us glass booze. And the truth is, words like this, whenever they come, you know they inspire. They inspire to like, leave Like there's hope we can do something. Oh yes, I believe so. Now, recently, you wrote a book . Let's talk about your book, the 10X. Oh yeah, 10X Better. Yes, 10X Better. Speaker 2: So, again, it's a fusion of the three dimensions to me, all right. There's the spiritual dimension , there's the corporate dimension, there's the social dimension, and I tell people that I'm not involved in any religious battle. You know say, ah, christianity is better than Islam. No, I tell people that, to give a point, let your God come and help us. And so it's basically for me, it's a product of thinking through all these dimensions and finding a solution for people. I believe that what I read, you know, preferred a template, and what I created in the book provides a template people can actually utilize to be able to self-actualize and become part of a community that can actualize, and be part of a nation that can actualize and a world that will be beneficial to everybody. I'll tell you something at the end of the day, this is going to be bad, this is going to be good, this is going to be evil, but let's even push the agenda of good as much as possible. I've spent my years as a career coach, executive coach, consultant, trainer, speaker. I've done so many things and all that, but I believe very sincerely that our alignment with a bigger vision, which is what, I believe, my own religion pretends, will help a lot of people find meaning with the work that they do in a way that will be beneficial to their families, to society and the world around them. The book is called 10X Better. I was just reading the good book one day and I saw it there and I have no problem talking about it because, whether I was in a meeting yesterday here in Abuja, somebody that is not of my faith listened to it. She got her book yesterday. I'm not trying to you see again . If your God can help us. We need help. That's the thing that's there. I believe in what I believe in and we're going to leverage that to provide the help to the world. So where can we find the book? It's on Amazon globally. Locally, you have to go to there's an alpha store, okay, and I think there's a company that does logistics so you can order and it's delivered directly to your house. So there's a GBT way store or the Alpha store and people can get it locally here in Nigeria. Speaker 1: Amazing Guys having JT on the show today. Let me tell you how it all happened. You know, I saw him talking about coming to Abuja and I said , okay, it would be a good I mean an honor to have him on the show. And I reached out to him and he said why? Let's see how it happens. And he's here and I must tell you the truth, every minute speaking with him, I appreciate it and I'm telling myself it was not a bad decision anyway, you will agree with me. We've been having this amazing conversation, thought provoking, inspiring. It's not pushing you to like, oh, there's no hope. Actually there is, there is. I mean, I would have loved to keep him here, honestly, but he has other things to catch up with. But before we let him go, I want him to say something about the diasporans. We see them. You get me. Let him go, I want him to say something about the diasporans. We see them, you get me. Just like you said a while ago, some of us feel that I don't mind them. Speaker 2: They've left us. Speaker 1: They don't leave us. We're alone fighting the battle , and all that I want you to speak to that. Speaker 2: I think that the diasporans are on a mission Not everybody, but there's a certain category of people. I think that the diasporans are on a mission Okay, not everybody, but there's a certain category of people. I think that the transformation of Nigeria is impossible without the diaspora nation. Speaker 1: Yeah. Speaker 2: The financial capacity that is at the beck and call of that only requires a vision to activate it. That's number one the human capacity. These people are training global organizations. In fact, there is statistics. Number one the human capacity. These people are training global organizations. In fact, there is statistics that prove that Nigerians, once they enter your company, they rise to the top very quickly. I'm telling you, they rise to the top, they rise to the top, and I don't think that that is a mistake. It therefore means that the capabilities required for transformation is being built. So think about it. We're just on a fellowship program. For a number of years, I'll tell you, I've been to Canada, united Kingdom, all around cities in the United States, and I'll tell you that there are people that carry Nigeria in their heart, that they'll tell you that, no matter how far away I am, home is still the best, but the problem is that they can't come to this home. So I tell them so what are you want to do? So I think there's going to be a partnership between the Nigerians in diaspora and the Nigerians that are not in diaspora, coming around something and being able to. We do need to fight each other. That's the fact about it. I could be in diaspora and get opportunities for you to do remote work. Won't you appreciate my being in diaspora? Speaker 1: Why not? And in dollars $100 million. You get my point. Speaker 2: I have things I want to do locally. Your presence here makes all the difference. I think that the moment to become a collaborative team, I think that the difference will now become clear. Speaker 1: That word you just used, now collaborative. I think it's the glue, the missing glue, because when you look at the story of the Indians , the diasporan Indians, the same thing, the volume of what they take back home, that community, yes, yes exactly yes. Same thing for the I mean Chinese. Speaker 2: Chinese yes, exactly. Speaker 1: So I think, when I look at them because I do a little study and all that I see this trust element yeah. Speaker 2: I'll tell you where it came from. Please do talk about the indians. fraternity is part of their culture yeah and so they can call you and say your brother is coming. I know your brother and the person will stay in the house, but if they call me, even me, I still who, from where, from where? You get my point, and I think that the diversity in nigeria has is great, but sometimes we've not become cohesive and so , um, I still find people a bit apprehensive. And now I started to talk with something that's where. You know, we have Jewish communities, pakistani communities, even Somalian communities, but the Nigerian community is still divided. And this is what I said to her. I said the reason why it's because of bad experiences. Speaker 1: I can tell you it's been terrible experiences. Speaker 2: But I say what you need to do is create a new community that has rules of engagement. I said if you have a brother that you give money to make an investment and they don't make the investment we live in a community where the rule of law works Take them to court. Yes, let them go to prison. Once there's consequence to bad action, people align the problem in times as well is ah, ah, I'm with your brother, and eventually the culture becomes one that is permissive for nonsense. I say we need to stop that. I say if I give you my word on something and I don't, you have a right to hold me to it. The moment you start building that we'll have. I believe it should be a new Nigerian community in diaspora or even locally. Once we're able to do that, a new set of leaders, new Nigerians will come who can actually build that Nigeria that we're talking about. Speaker 1: Whew, it's possible yes, time consuming or time bound, but it's possible, it's doable, seeing that Nigeria that works for our children and children's children. Well, guys, you've heard it all . Like I said, I wish I could keep him here, but he has other things to catch up with. But you know how we do it on the show, we always come into this space, yes, this very space , to create positive energy, positive vibes. You know, before I came on set today, I was just asking myself this fundamental question what we are doing on this show, is it affecting anybody? But hearing what JT just said a while ago, it tells me we're doing something. Speaker 2: You are. Speaker 1: And this is from me to you out there, as in diasporans, nigerians, you have partners here, not in crime, but in progress. We're here waiting to collaborate on the basis of trust to see how we push our nation forward. Okay, guys, I have to go. I have to go, but I have to do this because if I don't, my producer will put a gun to my head. Are you following us on our social media platforms? Yep, I think. We're on LinkedIn. We're on YouTube. Speaker 2: Instagram. Speaker 1: Instagram, tiktok, like I said the other time, facetime or what they call it now, snapchat. I beg your pardon. Snapchat, yeah, we're not there yet, but we will get there someday. So go ahead. We have a lot on these outlets for you to glean from and, you know, build that positive energy . Before I let JT go, one last word from you. Speaker 2: All right, I think that what you're doing I'm going to use that as an example. You ask a question. Am I making a difference? Speaker 1: And the answer is yes . Speaker 2: If 200 million people make a difference, there'll be a difference. So you make a difference. That's what I'll say. Speaker 1: You make a difference . Michael Jackson said I'm talking to the man in the mirror yes, If he can make that difference, then there'll be change. Till I come your way again. You know how we say it on the show. This is the space where we come in to lean on one another's word, experience and forge a positive path. My name is Amakri Amakri Sewe. Bye for now.