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SPEAKER_00: Good morning.
Good afternoon.
Good everything.
How are you all doing?
Ah, you'll be wondering why I'm
this excited.
So before coming on, yes, I need
to ask that question.
How are you?
Yeah, I'm good.
I'm good.
I'm fine.
I am beautiful.
Lovely, lovely things happening
all around me, the world cafe,
and all of you know, all of
that.
Grateful.
It started raining where I am,
the city of Abuja.
Raining and uh having some, you
know, showers here and there.
The weather is slightly cool
compared to, you know, January,
February, March, April, and all
of that.
So before he came on, I saw
something and I said I'm going
to share it with you.
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_00: As a coffee lover,
it's been on the studio here as
in on the table.
And I didn't take, I didn't
notice it, but I noticed it
today.
It's a definition of coffee.
Coffee is a now.
Let me tell you what I saw.
I'll try and say it.
Coffee is a now, a delicious
liquid that is an alternative to
hating people every morning,
every day, everywhere.
So when you wake up and instead
of you to frown at people and
all that, I'll pick up your
coffee and uh, you know.
All right.
You cannot go wrong with a
lovely cup of coffee.
Trust me.
Let's not start that
conversation now.
You know, you know what I'm
talking about when they say
you're a coffee addict or
whatever.
Let's not start a conversation
now.
You know, I've had that
conversation over and over
again, and I'm a coffee
enthusiast.
But that's not what we're
talking about today.
SPEAKER_01: Give me a second,
please.
Hmm.
Hmm.
Fruff, lovely.
SPEAKER_00: Okay, this is now
out of the way.
I'll tell you what we will be
doing here today.
It's been on my mind, and when I
told my videographer and
producers, like, we need to talk
about something, something,
something, something, I and we
kept pushing it, you know, like
we'll do it today, we'll do it
tomorrow, we'll do it today,
we'll do it tomorrow, and and I
just said, no.
SPEAKER_01: We have to do it
today, and that's what we're
doing today.
SPEAKER_00: If somebody should
ask you, as a Nigerian, how long
has Nigeria existed?
I know you're going to say from
when you know the period we got
independence or pre-independence
and what have you?
But we, in terms of the
geography, the people who've
existed for over a century, more
than 200 centuries, even if you
ask, if you do your research.
But again, for this period, let
me tell you something.
Do you know that the Christian
faith has been around for over
half a century?
It's been around for over a
century.
What am I saying?
Did I say half a century?
Over a century.
So, and a lot has happened.
How the Christian faith has
shaped Nigeria, how it has
influenced the continent of
Africa and the world at large,
and the people behind this
movement.
I felt to come on the show to
talk about it, because a lot of
us have looked at the church in
Nigeria like she has failed you.
Like when you go on social
media, the social media
commentary and blogs and what
have you.
You see people talking, saying
this, saying that.
But I'm going to take you down
memory lane history, you know,
and we're going to like follow
the crumbs.
And you're going to see my
laptop is giving me some issues
anyway, so I'm going to um read
from my phone.
And when the laptop resumes,
yeah, I don't know what it's
doing, it's been booting for a
while.
When it resumes, then we will
flip and uh speak from there.
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
Okay, give me a minute.
unknown: Okay.
SPEAKER_01: All right.
SPEAKER_00: The faith movement
in Nigeria.
I'm going to have like about
seven like uh subtopics, and
we're going to look at it how
and all that.
We're going to look at
foundation, revival, expansion,
and influence.
It will, you know, the present
tensions and the future
possibilities that the church
presents, the the faith
movement, I want to call it.
So before the fire, that's what
I call it.
Pre-1920s, the early 1900s.
Christianity did not begin in
Nigeria 100 years ago.
It arrived earlier, between the
15th and 19th century, through
missionaries and returning
Africans like Samuel Ajay
Crowder.
We know that name.
Yeah, we know that name when you
talk about the Christian
movement in Nigeria.
But this phase had limitations.
It was largely missionary-led
and structured.
Christianity often felt foreign,
institutional, and colonial.
Indigenous spiritual hunger was
not fully expressed.
The stage was set for something
deeper, a faith that was not
imported, but encountered.
You hear that?
So some of us feel like, oh, it
was imported and what have you,
but listen, the first waves of
revival, 1918 to then, I mean to
1940s.
You know, we had the Aladura, an
indigenous awakening.
This was the birth of indigenous
Christianity in Nigeria.
Then we had key power nears, and
I'm going to call their name,
and you'll be you'll be amazed,
Garrick Grade.
A lot of us have not heard of
that name.
I'm going to say something about
that name.
1882 to 1918.
Early revivalist in the Niger
Delta.
Now, okay, let me finish and I'm
going to come to him.
We had Moses Urimolade, founder
of Cherubin and Sarah, Joseph
Babalola, the Catholic Revival
leader.
A lot of us have heard of that
name.
So the early Adalura leaders,
Sadara, Udubanjo, and etc.
But I'm going to dwell on
Garrick Braid.
Well, because my grandfather
told me about Garrick Braid.
I'm from Ninja Delta.
I'm from River State.
Like you know, my name is
Amakri.
Amakri is so he told us about
Garrick Braid.
Us, I mean myself and my
siblings, my granddad.
And I did some research about
Garrick Braid before even coming
on set.
And there were a lot written
about him.
SPEAKER_01: So in course of my
search, see this book.
Jeff Kaweet, is there a way we
can zoom on on it?
SPEAKER_00: Alright, good.
So this book, Elaine Calabare of
the Ninja Delta.
Now, when you look at this book,
in course of my research, not
just on Christianity, but the
history of Nigeria or the
history of Ninja Delta and all
of that, I came upon this book.
It was written by Wabinte
Wareboko.
He's from Rivers.
He's presently in the Caribbean.
I did some work and I got in
touch with him.
You know, I got in touch with
him.
Now, when you look at this book
closely, Elim Calabari simply
means old Calabari.
I don't want to go into all the
nitty-gritty and all that.
Maybe that will be another topic
where I'm going to dwell on
history like this.
But these are the faces you're
going to see.
You see three Europeans, you see
this is Bishop Ajayi Crowder.
Then this is this face you're
seeing here is Prince.
They called him, though the
Europeans called him Prince
Will, but he is the king Amakri.
He's not the first.
But from what my grandfather
taught us or told us, King
Amakri I, nobody knew what he
looked like.
This was his, I think his
great-grandson, not even his
son.
And uh history or myth has it
that he looked so much like him.
So they use his face whenever
they talk about the history of
Amakri.
The full name is King Amakri or
King Abi Amakri.
Amayanabo, I'm trying to look
for the full picture.
Yep, that's it.
That's it here.
So where Bugumari stands today,
because he's the he was the
founding father, so to say,
where Bugum stands today, where
you for the if you look at the
map of uh Nigeria through the
bite of Biafra, you see Bugumar
where Bugumar sits.
Presently, they moved from where
they were, the old Calabari, to
the new Calabari in 1884.
So in 1984, we celebrated the
century, or rather, it's the
centenary, I beg your pardon,
and all that.
So why am I giving you all of
these details?
Garrick Braid was from this part
of the world.
A man of faith.
You know, when you talk about
the Christian faith, you know,
but now look at this picture.
If you look at this picture, the
dressing you're going to see,
his deeds, like the Van Dyck
deads well shaven and well kept.
This was as far back as the
early, oh yes, the early 1900s,
if not the late 1800s.
And they had images like this.
So when they tell you that we're
barbaric, says who.
And like I said, this is not
what the story point of this is
I'm going to come on the show
and talk about this.
I'll give you things that maybe
you've never heard about the
Ninja Delta.
Unbiased, unfettered, you know,
and don't break my head for it.
Anyway things my grandfather
taught me, uh, and I went to do
some research on my own.
So Garrick Braid was this
amazing charismatic, if you want
to call it that way, between
1882 to 1918.
He was, you know, when I did one
or two research about him, he
gave the colonials a tough time.
All right.
So what defined this era?
Prayer, prophecy, healing,
rejection of purely Western
forms of Christianity, a return
to spiritual power and
immediacy.
The 1918 Aladura movement marked
a major shift toward African-led
Christianity.
You heard it, Aladura.
Yes.
You heard it, Garrick Braid.
So Aladura was 1918, Garrick
Braid was 1882.
So you see that the work in the
Niger Delta had so much
influence, you know, on the
totality of Christian movement
in Nigeria.
So the 1930 Babalola Revival
turning point.
Yes, that was, I will say a bit
recent because we started
hearing about it.
Massive revival in Elasia, 1930.
Thousands converted, led to the
formation of Christ Apostolic
Church, the CAC.
This revival is widely regarded
as the most outstanding in
Nigerian church history before
the 1970s.
Yes, uh Joseph Babalola.
I mean, I read amazing things
about him.
Amazing things that even you
find you will find it difficult
to believe.
But the truth is, he walked with
God.
I mean, the testimonies are
there.
Then the Eastern Revival
streams.
I'm going to dwell here for a
while.
Revival in Old Umwahia.
That was from 1934 to 1940s.
Revival in Old Umwahia, 1934.
Now, permit me to do this.
I love the Marvel universe.
You know, when you when you when
you are a writer, when you see
things that speak to the
esoteric and otherworldly, it
draws you in.
Marvel has a way of describing
things that fascinates me and
the lure and all of that.
Now, when you watch the Marvel
uh Justice League and what have
you, is that Marvel now or DC?
Okay, that's Marvel.
There's what they call power
centers.
You know, you see uh Doctor
Strange who tell you he's going
to the Chicago Power Center,
London Power Center, you New
York Power Centers.
And if you calm your senses down
and watch these places, they're
either strongholds of economic
activities, commercial
activities, and most often than
not, they are found along the
coast, coastal towns.
London has London Bridges for
Linda.
There's a river there.
Hope you know that.
New York is a coastal town.
Do you want me to go on?
Yes.
So Umwa here, when you look at
Nigeria, we have power centers
in this country.
To the north, Kaduna, Sokoto,
yeah, Bono, to the north,
central, Benwe.
I don't want to give you any
knowledge, but I'm only telling
you what I've observed.
Benwe Valley is a power center.
Then you come to the part of the
central Josh Plateau, Nasarawa,
which came out of Jos, then
Abuja.
These are power centers in the
north central.
Then when you come to the east,
yes, you hear things, you hear
of Inugu, Aba, Umwa here.
Check the colonial maps.
These were the movements.
Then when you go down south, you
find places like River State,
Kalaba.
Then you hear things like Boni,
the Nembi, the uh Cotton
Channel.
Am I giving you too much
information?
Yes, these are power centers.
But Umwahe drives something for
me.
So recently, when I was doing
this research and when I
stumbled upon Umwah, I said,
okay, Umwahia.
What's happening in Ummah here
currently?
Do you know?
Streams of joy, Pastor Jerry
Eze.
That's where he has his
headquarters.
So Pastor Jerry Eze is not
sitting on something new.
He's only strengthening what has
existed, what has been there.
Um today, Pastor Jerry.
Yes, I'm so proud of that.
I'm happy, you know, he gave out
a billion naira as grant.
That's the church.
That's the church.
Streams of joy.
So this led to the assemblies of
God.
I've told you about the
assemblies of God before.
For those of you who follow me,
my grandmother calls it assemble
and God.
You know, it's that was in 1939.
This was, I attended Assembly of
God growing up.
I grew up under the tutelage of
Assemblies of God Church.
Yes, I did.
Uh I still remember my pastor.
He's he's going to be with the
Lord now.
Uh Lit uh Mwachi, a vibrant man
of God, you know, who drilled us
spiritually.
He took us through stuff, you
know, and all of that, taught us
scriptures balanced, in my
opinion.
Yes.
So revival, movement,
denomination.
Then I go to the second wave.
Yes, we've just led the first
wave.
The second wave is talking about
the charismatic and campus
revivals from 1967 to the 1980s.
This is where we now started
seeing things like SU, Scripture
Union, and CU.
CU is a Christian union.
Then we have SU, Scripture
Union.
Then we had now give birth to
NIFES, Nigerian Fellowship of
Evangelical Students.
So after the trauma of the Civil
War, yes, people began asking
existential questions about life
and eternity.
Churches, fellowships, scripture
union exploded in growth.
Now, Nyfest has her headquarters
in JOS.
I know those days back in
school, we used to travel by
road to Joss.
I did that a lot.
Forgive me, don't tell my mother
because they sent me to school
to study.
Ah, yes.
So we used to travel by road to
Joss.
Like, you know, those.
I don't like saying those good
old days.
Can we travel by road again?
It's quite frightening.
But we used to do it as
students.
We leave Port Hakot, 9th bus,
and we find ourselves in Joss.
The entrance is called, there's
this particular place they call
Forest in Jos.
You know, before you get into
Jaws proper.
And my first encounter, you
know, I felt I was outside
Nigeria.
It was so cold.
Just was really cold.
You know, I think it's still the
same.
So we used to go there, have our
meetings.
Then we used to come to Abuja.
I was still in, I think, year
two or year three then.
No, year three.
Year three, final year.
Yeah.
We used to come to Abuja.
Abuja wasn't this developed
then.
We used to come for prayer
meetings, prayer engagement, you
know, campus ministry.
I remember.
All right.
So the 1970s to the 1980s,
charismatic explosion.
This was a defining shift.
Revival moved to universities
and young intellectuals.
Christianity became personal,
experiential, and expressive.
Key figures.
Arkbishop Benson Edahausa.
WF Kumuyi, Deeper Life, Enoch
Adeboye, Aru C C G.
Omao Pai.
You heard me talk about him and
others across regions.
You know the amazing thing about
these names?
They are Nigerians.
They were born here.
They schooled here.
Here I mean this soil.
They grew here.
They found God here.
They changed the story of this
country.
Yes.
A lot of us growing up, if you
talk about Christianity, the
younger generation will be more
familiar with names like Ak
Bishop Bensonidahosa.
Because from him, names like
Bishop David Oyedek book.
Yeah, he even had an encounter
with Paadeboye.
Most of the what I call them
fathers of faith today had an
encounter with this man that
even Benny In spoke about him at
the time.
I was privileged to visit uh
Benin once, and I went to a very
good friend of mine, you know,
invited me.
And I went to his uh the church,
an amazing place.
I've talked about Reverend Dr.
Omark Bai, late Reverend Dr.
Omark Pai, you know.
So Pentecostalism surged
dramatically in popular in
popularity during this period.
Uh before I go on, it will it
would be unfair not to talk
about Pa Beboy and his and
ROCCG.
So for your information, I'm not
here to exonerate or bring one
down and put up the other, but
I'm trying to look at the impact
these ones have carried out by
the reason of the church in this
country.
One of the largest congregation
in the world, or cities I will
call them, is the ROCCG.
Till date, there's this what I
call it amazing presence.
I've not been there before, but
I see it on TV and all that.
Uh the campground.
SPEAKER_01: They have it there.
Water has it there.
Say all what you want to say.
SPEAKER_00: That's the church
moving this country forward.
So institutionalization.
Christian Association of Nigeria
was born, Cannes, 1976.
Pentecostal Fellowship of
Nigeria, 1985.
The move meant move from
revival.
The movement moved from revival
to structure and national
influence.
The third wave.
The megachurch and global
influence.
The rise of mega church or
churches in Nigeria.
Strong emphasis of faith,
prosperity, dominion, global
evangelism.
Key movement, Alo CCG.
You heard me say it before.
Living Faith Church.
Yes.
That's Chris.
Now, there's something about
Pastor Chris that amazes me that
most of you may not know.
You know, when you look at
Pastor Chris, like I said, all
of them studied here, here,
here, here in this country.
Pastor Chris went to Uniben.
He was supposed to have attended
uh University ROSUST.
That's a University Technology,
University of Science and
Technology, River State, to
study architecture.
His uncle then was uh police
commissioner, or Yahilome, in
River State.
You know, and that didn't work
out.
Then he went to Uniben.
I think he did architecture and
started a movement from, I think
he has an assembly of God
background and also a touch of
Archbishop Benson at also.
But this is something about him.
Say what?
Say all what you want to say.
Pastor Chris is in the world of
his own.
He taught us.
I grew up also under the
influence of Pastor Chris.
There's this teaching he used to
then those days.
You know, before technology
became so sad, Pastor Chris had
gone ahead of us.
You know, televangelism in
Nigeria, then every Saturday
morning, you hear him, so
mightly grew the word of God in
the city of Ephesus and
prevailed.
You hear me say, Don't stop
saying it, keep saying it, keep
saying it.
For so mightly grew the word of
God in the city of Ephesus and
prevailed.
That was Pastor Chris.
You know, then he went into the
music ministry.
Most of the music ministers in
Nigeria and outside Nigeria in
the Christian faith came from
Christ Embassy.
No names like, I mean, I call
their names, you know them.
You know, now when you look at
Pastor Nathaniel, for example,
ROCCG, is there an influence?
There is.
I'm going to say something a
little bit about Pastor
Nathaniel here and the
Christian, as in the music
ministry.
SPEAKER_01: There's something I
observed, and I can't but
acknowledge it.
SPEAKER_00: The human life is
expressed on the scale of time.
You've heard me say that before.
And those who understand time
commanded.
But again, if you look at our
lives, it exists in our 365 days
from formation.
But this 365 days formation,
they have seasons and times.
Hallelujah challenge has become
a seasonal thing that is
defining our lives.
You see, a lot of us during
Hallelujah Challenge, we breeze
up.
So when does the Hallelujah
Challenge come up?
February, I think.
Then October or September.
But there are two major
Hallelujah challenges in the
year.
But what do you see happen
within this period?
It's like a portal, seasonal.
This season, amazing things
happen.
And admit it or not, is the
truth.
It has come to define the lives
of a good number of us, not just
in Nigeria, even in the globe.
You hear people joining
Hallelujah Challenge across the
East Coast, West Coast.
You hear in Europe joining
Hallelujah Challenge, you know,
waiting for that trumpet to come
on, you know, and the word of
God and all of that.
Hello, where is it coming from?
Nigeria.
Whether you want to believe it
or not, it's Nigeria.
Let me sound like a Nigerian
now.
Yes, it's Nigeria.
So these are from people, from
the church, influences of the
church.
He will not deny it.
No, you won't.
What about streams of joy?
Pastor Jerry is a.
I am not talking about the
grants and all of that he gave.
You know, Pastor Jerry came
during the COVID year.
Two people that challenged the
COVID and turned the tide, in my
opinion.
Pastor Jerryze, Pastor Chris, or
yeah, he'll me.
It's not as if I'm downplaying
the others now, but these were
too vocal.
People were praying, people were
singing, and all of that.
The voices from Nigerian church,
trials and challenges, the fifth
wave across the journey.
The movement has not been
without tension.
You know, colonial and
institutional resistance, early
revivals, clashed with
missionary structures, examples,
TAC split from apostolic church
over doctrine and practice, then
doctrinal tensions, healing
versus medicine debate, uh,
prosperity theology versus
suffering theology, charismatic
expression versus liturgical
order, sociopolitical pressures,
Christian, Muslim tensions,
especially in the north, yeah,
which we have we have been
experiencing the Sharia law
debates of 2000s, persecution in
some regions.
Then we have the issue of
commercialization and
credibility issues, rise of
celebrity pastors, questions
around wealth, miracles,
authenticity, spiritual death
and scale, a securing, a
recurring, I beg your pardon, a
recurring tension, spiritual
death and scale.
Growth has been exponential, but
death is constantly being
questioned.
Growth has been exponential, but
death has constantly been
questioned.
So where are we now?
A complex, powerful ecosystem.
Today, Nigerian Christianity is
one of the largest Christian
population globally, a
missionary force to the world, a
cultural and political
influenza, and still deeply
fragmented and evolving the
future.
Where is this movement heading?
Let's look at this through a
reflection lens, sorry, a
reflective lens, perhaps one
that fits, you know, this show.
The word cafe, return to death,
another revival.
There's growing hunger for
authenticity over performance,
presence over programs,
encounter over entertainment.
History suggests every time
structure dominates, revival
follows.
Youth and digital Christianity,
online ministries, prayer
movement, digital altars,
decentralized spiritual
communities.
Nigeria may lead the digital
revival model globally.
This is not a prophecy.
I'm only telling you from my
observation.
Recently I heard, I saw uh
Minister Moses Blees.
He calls it the mountain
encounter.
I think one is coming up soon,
you know.
And you go online, you see a lot
of young Nigerian Christians,
Gayz Baba, um, what's his name
now?
Um, Dr.
Foy, uh, the energized movement,
I call it uh Great Man Takit.
Uh, what's the other guy's name?
K String, Minister David Dam,
the worship movement and all
that.
You see a lot of digital
activities, you know, going on.
So Nigeria may lead, may lead
the digital revival globally.
Yes.
So theology of nation building,
a shift is emerging from escape
to heaven to transform society,
faith intersecting with
governance, economics,
innovation.
There's a lot here.
There's a lot here.
Did you hear that?
The global apostolic influence.
Nigeria is no longer a receiver,
it is now a sender nation.
Churches planted across Europe,
US, Africa, Nigerian pastors
shaping global Pentecostalism, a
tension that will define the
future.
The future may hinge on one
question.
Will the church in Nigeria
choose power or presence?
Power builds crowds, presence
builds, transformation.
My final, not my final now.
Now, if you listen carefully,
the story of Christianity in
Nigeria is not merely
institutional, it is rhythmic.
It moves like breath.
Inhale, revival, exhale,
structure, inhale again,
renewal.
And somewhere in that rhythm
lies that next move, not loud at
first, not organized at first,
but like 1930, like the 1970s,
it will begin again with a
hunger that refuses to be
explained.
SPEAKER_01: A hunger that
refuses to be explained.
SPEAKER_00: So don't give up.
The idea of the show today is to
tell you that the Christian
movement in this country is over
half a century.
SPEAKER_01: We are surrounded by
this great cloud of weaknesses.
Don't listen to the noise.
Look inwards.
Listen to the whisper.
SPEAKER_00: Listen to the
whisper.
There's a lot we can do as a
people.
I am speaking to the Christian
community.
Those in Nigeria, Nigerians who
are in diaspora.
There's something about us.
I don't care whatever you say.
I don't care whatever you want
to think about us.
But listen, we are unique
people.
Heaven knows us.
SPEAKER_01: Wherever we go, we
terraform, we transform, we
shape shift, we change things.
That's why we are called
Nigerians.
SPEAKER_00: So the Christian
faith, the Christian movement,
he said something.
He said, On this rock will I
build my church.
He didn't say the gates of hell
will not pre- I mean the gates
of hell will not come.
They will come.
This is what he said.
They will not prevail.
What we have can swallow them.
Yes.
They will fight, they can
multiply at all fronts and all
that.
But let me tell you something:
the odds are not against us.
The odds are on our side.
It is for us to rise up, it is
for us to organize, it is for us
to trust Him.
It is for us to forge ahead.
All right, before I start
preaching on the show today,
that this is the idea, and this
is why I'm here to encourage us.
SPEAKER_01: We are of the stock
of victory.
What will the next 50 years of
Christianity look like on earth?
SPEAKER_00: I'm not prophesying,
I'm only telling you what my
conviction is.
SPEAKER_01: It will be defined
by the Nigerian church.
So what next?
Like he said to him, to whom
much is given.
Much is required.
It's about responsibility.
SPEAKER_00: With so much power
comes so much responsibility.
Character is what we should go
for now and never leave it.
Because character is the only
material that can host and
warehouse glory.
Alright, guys, I gotta go now.
You know how we do it on the
show.
This is the space where we come
in to lean on one another's
experience and what?
Forge a positive path.
There's so much ahead of us, so
much good, not evil.
Ah, yes, I know that.
I know that.
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My name is Amakri.
Amakri is away.
SPEAKER_01: Bye for now.