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Speaker 1: Hello there, welcome
to the World Cafe podcast.
This podcast has been designed
with created content that
centers on the power of words.
Can we really do anything
without speaking?
Can we really do anything
without the agency of words?
Yes, that is what this podcast
is all about, and I am your host
, amakri Isubie, your
neighborhood word trader.
I believe in the power of words
, for it is the unit of creation
.
I trade in words to profit my
world.
Good morning, good afternoon,
good evening, good everything.
Yes, back into that space.
Ah, guys, it's always exciting.
I tell you, each time I come
into this space, no matter how
tired I am, I just come alive.
Why?
Because I know you're there,
you're listening, and we always
come up with amazing stories,
topics you know to share with
you, and all of that.
So, before I go into anything
you know how I do it I need to
ask you how are you doing For
real?
I'm asking this.
I'm asking this not, uh,
rhetorically now, but for real.
You know, how are you?
How has it been well for me at
my end.
It's been amazing.
Uh, lately it's been raining
where I am yes, abuja and
somehow there's this change in
the atmosphere.
We, it used to be pretty hot
January, february, march and
what have you but now it's
somewhat cold, really cold, even
beating cold water.
Now it's like you have to
rethink it.
I'm good, yes.
So what are we going to be
doing today?
I have an amazing story and I
have an amazing personality to
bring.
Amazing, in a sense, that I've
known this person way back, you
know, way, way back.
Yes, I don't want to go into
the other nitty-gritty, but I've
known him way back and I've
seen him evolve, grow, you know,
and you know, blossom in his
craft and his trade and his art,
and all of that.
He is a movie maker.
He goes by the name Alan Black
Boy Onyige.
Don't worry, you will see his
face.
He has an amazing story to share
with us.
I know you want to see him,
like I want to.
Where is he?
And there he is.
Hi, alan, hi, good to see you.
Good to see you.
Before we came on on set, we
were just talking behind, uh,
the scenes, what it's been like
and all that.
I know.
The last time I saw you in
person was 2012 and, uh, I mean,
the circumstances that
surrounded it had to do with
what you're doing today, but in
there, I mean, you are now on a
larger scale, and all that.
So how are you?
You, how's it been?
Speaker 2: I'm fine.
I've been great telling stories
Before being growing, learning,
relearning as well, so it's
just been good for me.
Speaker 1: Beautiful.
So what part are you in now?
I know you're in Nigeria,
somewhere in Nigeria.
Where are you again?
Speaker 2: I'm in a place called
Aripo, in very close to Lagos,
so it's just like the outskirts
of Lagos.
Speaker 1: All right, all right.
So let us get to meet you.
Then we begin from there.
Who is this amazing personality
?
Alan Blackboy Onyigi, I like
that word, blackboy.
You tell us how you came about
it anyway.
So let's get to meet this
personality.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so my name is
Alan Uyge.
I'm from River State.
I'm from Omoch, to be precise,
born in Port Harcourt.
I was raised in Port Harcourt
as well.
Left Port Harcourt sometime in
2018 because I wanted something
bigger for myself, so that's how
I got to Lagos from 2018 up to
now.
Up until now, I haven't been
famous or in the space of
filmmaking.
So, and up to now, I haven't
been famous or in the space of
filmmaking.
So, yeah, so I am a passionate
storyteller, filmmaker.
I have passion for documentary
storytelling, but I make other
form of stories or films, or I
would say, business for
documentaries.
What I do as passion, so, yeah,
so that's me.
I'm married, I have a beautiful
daughter.
You know life is what I do as
passion.
Okay, so, yeah, so that's
that's me.
I'm married, I have a beautiful
daughter.
You know, life is what it is
life.
Speaker 1: It is now, guys, I, I
, I, I.
I opened the show with telling
you about this guy, this person.
Uh, I've known him for more
than I think it should be, more
than 20 years now, from my years
now.
The thing is, I'm a teen church
instructor.
I teach, you know, I work with
teenagers.
I've been with teenagers all my
life, practically all my life,
and alan has, I mean, was one of
them, you know, who sat under
my tutelage and, uh, when I left
, I was in port harcourt for a
bit, left port harcourt,
walkwise walk, took me out of
Port Harcourt and all that.
I lost touch with him and the
others.
So we got to see ourselves
again in 2012 with respect to
the Abuja National caliber,
national caliber and all of that
.
We've lost touch.
But I know before then he's
been this guy who loves, you
know, like every other teenager
I would say, loves the stage,
likes dancing, when it comes to
acting and all of that.
And seeing him now, guys, it's
mind blowing and it is, I must
tell you, good, it feels good,
it gives me that.
So I look at myself.
I say, ok, good, it feels good,
it gives me that.
So I look at myself, I say okay
.
So I mean I'm I mean like any
other father would say, I'm a
proud dad because I've seen this
.
So now you left what hackathon?
You went to lagos, let us get
to know what drove you.
Yes, you went to movie making,
but what gave you that?
Should I?
I say, okay, I need something
bigger.
Speaker 2: But I mean, I've
always had that in me.
I've always wanted a different
life, something better.
Of course, you know me, I do,
I'll throw something in and I'm
basically trying to be as real
as possible.
I wouldn't say I have the best
childhood I live, wanting to get
better.
I always wanted a good life.
I used to tell people this
right.
My life changed somewhat
sometime around 2004 when my
sister brought me to the
Catholic Church.
Yeah, we walked down from
Bushimi because that's where we
used to stay.
Speaker 1: I know we walked down
.
I still see you there.
I know to stay, I know I still
see you there, I know that
neighborhood, I know I have that
picture way, way back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would trek
down to the capital city.
I remember that first time we
got there and I saw people.
I saw people you know
discussing about things that I
had only seen in movies.
Oh, I'm going for this holiday
and what is going on.
I want this life for myself,
you know, and for that.
For me, that's like a driving
force.
I'm like do you know what I'm
going to do?
Something I'm not going to end
up in this emotion that I was
raised.
I'll make sure that I get, you
know, I'll get out of it.
So for me, I think it became
real sometime around 2013 that
you know, I think I met someone
who told me the power of skill.
You know, if you have a skill
right, there's nothing you
cannot do.
People will look for you, both
the mighty and the you know and
I'm like, okay, do you know what
?
Then I need to get a skill.
So then that's when I then
thought of, you know, you know,
funny enough.
So my other brother, who was
into music at the time, you know
he used to make music videos
for people and then he asked me
okay, what do you think about
this song?
How can we make?
If I want to direct this uh
video, what would be the content
?
And I'll share ideas with him.
I did not know that.
That was me finding, you know,
some kind of uh passion or
whatever but it was around 2013
when I wanted to learn the skill
and he said you've always been
giving me ideas how to make
content, so why don't you just
try it?
I'm like, oh yeah, so let me
learn how to make music videos.
So that's when I then went to a
studio and applied and then
they took me in and teaching me.
I thought, so interesting then,
because I I'm in tcc, you have
to serve.
We thought this is the power of
service and all that.
So I thought, okay, I want to
serve a choice.
So what's the best thing to do?
Maybe I should be a cameraman.
And that's how I applied to
join the p.
I remember, yeah, I became a
cameraman in tcc and I'll also
go to my studio and learn how to
make music videos and all that.
So after a while I realized
that, oh okay, this, this, I can
learn and get something out of
it.
So what I did at the time
because music videos weren't
coming as much so what we had
then were just events, maybe
wedding barrier.
So what I did was to bring the
music video style into weddings.
So we just cut something flashy
, you know, and nice for one
minute or two minutes.
So your total event.
You can just compress it to like
three or four minutes you know,
at that time and I was making
some kind of money at the time,
and then that was when an
opportunity opened sometime
around 2016.
Uh was will be a tv.
They were coming to set up
their own studio in putakko and
they needed a cameraman and all
that's not how I applied.
I got the job.
I was 2016.
Yeah, I was then a camera
operator and a trackcaster
operator.
Trackcaster is like a
multi-camera and pcro operator
and all that yeah, so I was
doing all that, but one thing
I've always found about myself
is I easily get tired of things.
I'm always looking for the next
thing right.
So from my two years yeah, two
years into working as it was
with our tracker, I was done.
I was already tired, I was fed
up.
I'm like okay, what's the next
thing I can do?
That was, I don't know how was.
I don't know how I stumbled, I
don't know how I stumbled into
it, but I just realized I wanted
to make a short film.
How to make a short film?
I had no idea.
You know anything, so all I did
was to go online YouTube and I
learned just try to do some
self-tutoring, and all that.
After a while I then tried to do
my own first shot.
I did that, which I think is a
disaster.
Nobody should see it.
By the time I was done, somehow
I stumbled on a link where
there is this opportunity to
train 60 Africans on how to be
professionals storytellers.
I think the training was on
film and television production,
yeah, so it's called
Multi-Choice Talent Factory.
Speaker 1: Ah, okay, yeah, I
remember that.
Speaker 2: It's across Africa.
So I'm like who's going to pick
me Far hair.
But tack here.
But but the good thing about um
, the good thing about it is I
always reference the bible when
it comes to this part there's a
part of the bible that says I
can't remember the quote that
says that god will bless the
works of your heart.
Yeah, you have to give god
something to work with right so
I think that was what worked for
me with the short film that I
made.
So I did not know God was
pushing me to make that short
film because he had a greater
plan for me.
Even after, when I was done
with it, I didn't want to show
it to anybody, I just felt like
it was a huge disaster and all
that.
So when they were screening for
this scholarship, so I remember
the director then asking the
person what have you done, have
you made a film?
Before I said, yeah, I just
made a short film.
I'm still editing it, you know.
Then he was inquisitive.
Then he asked a lot of
questions around the film and
all that and I told him so what?
I think he saw then was the zeal
for me to wake up and say I
don't know how you shot famous
me, but I want to make one.
Luckily, after a couple of
months I got selected.
I was among the 60 people
selected across Africa to go for
this scholarship, one-year paid
scholarship.
We paid us maybe like $500 or
so per month to learn, and they
house us as well and give us
this travel, take us around and
from.
Speaker 1: This was in South
Africa, correct?
No they did it in Nigeria.
Yes, south Africa.
Speaker 2: Nigeria and Kenya so.
Speaker 1: I went to.
Speaker 2: Uganda.
I was in.
Speaker 1: Uganda and Nigeria as
well, so what?
Speaker 2: What?
So I went to Uganda.
I was in Uganda, okay, so what
so when we got to this point?
So my point is what was so
fascinating about this is how
about 5,000 people applied for
this and I was among the 60 who
selected it.
Speaker 1: And I was the only
person selected Okay, myself and
one other lady who was selected
.
Speaker 2: God bless her.
So she's dead now.
Her name is Amber, myself and
her were selected from Otakus to
come to Lagos, australia.
So this was when my eyes opened
, wow, opened more to the first,
of course, the training and
knowledge how to learn this
craft well.
Secondly, to the business part
of filmmaking Wow, yes, you know
, we had an academy director.
His name is Femi Odubemi.
Speaker 1: Ah, the renowned Femi
Odubemi.
Speaker 2: Yes, he was our
director for a year.
Oh, you know, yeah, he's my
mentor to tomorrow.
You know he will always tell
for a year.
You know, yeah, that we have is
my mentor tomorrow you know, he
will always tell you that you
know you're making this thing.
You have to eat from it as well
.
If you're not comfortable, then
you cannot help people, because
he's always he's big on helping
, yeah, so, um, yeah, that was
how I got this training the
script.
Speaker 1: The scripture you
reference is deuteronomy 28 12.
Let me just read it out for the
audience, just in case you know
they stumble upon it the lord
will open the heavens, the
storehouses of his bounty, to
send rain on your heart, on your
land in season, and to bless
all the work of your hands you
will lend to many nations that
will never borrow from none, you
know.
So I mean, you're spot on on
that.
He will bless the works of your
hands.
If there's nothing, there's
nothing, you know, you're not
doing anything and you won't got
.
Ah, so I mean that speaks
volume.
Now it takes the next question,
because the other day this was
where it really hit me.
Honestly, I've been seeing you
do things, yes, on, I see your
works on facebook and all of
that.
You know you sitting on the,
the crane, looking through the
lens and all.
I was like, okay, alan, where
are you going with all of this?
But, amazing, see, alan, he,
alan, he's growing and he's
doing that.
And I was sitting, I was just
sitting in the room with my wife
.
They were watching TV and she's
you know, she paid to AM.
I mean AMVCA, is that?
Speaker 2: the acronym yeah.
Speaker 1: And they were just,
you know, giving their words and
all of that.
And I saw this individual.
You were wearing black that day
.
Was it black or green?
Black, black exactly.
And when you took their word
and all that, I was like como,
sorry, guys, I just spoke
English there.
Tell me, when we're fascinated
in Nigeria, that's what we, you
know we go, we just go to
default mode.
And I was like is that not Alan
?
And I turned to my wife and I
said that's Alan.
And I was trying to explain to
her.
She said Sanaa called your
sister's name, you know.
She said, oh, that's Rachel's
young brother.
I said yes, yeah, and I was so
elated, I was super excited.
Now tell me how the story
behind the awards.
Tell my audience about it.
Speaker 2: So this is the second
time I've been nominated.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 2: The first one.
I wasn't even.
I didn't stand a chance.
Because I was in some category,
with some people that I respect
so much.
That was two years ago, but
this one because of what we did
with the story.
I was certain, somehow not like
certain, I was hopeful that we
were going to win because the
story cuts across the audience
would relate to it.
So I just I was hopeful that we
were going to win.
So I keep telling people, even
because I left, I was on a film
set, even up because I left, I
was on this film set that's how
I I came to the.
I came.
I came for the award quite late
.
I was there five minutes before
the quarter oh yeah, yeah, so I
hadn't been settled in the call
when they called and I and I
just rushed down there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was blank,
but I was there, all I could see
, I could only see lights.
I did not see anybody, I just
went back, yeah.
Speaker 2: It's good to get some
kind of recognition for your
work Because, as filmmakers, we
especially the guys behind the
camera- the guys creating the
story.
Nobody actually knows, it's
just the actors that they know.
Speaker 1: Exactly.
It's good for you to also get
some.
I can imagine.
I can imagine how this has, I
mean, comes to like, uh, boost
your confidence with respect to
what you do, you know and all of
that.
So what is that thing you want
young people this generation to
to see and to understand from
your perspective?
You know, just like when you
sit in front of the camera, you
look through the lens.
There are things you see that
even those of us in front of the
camera we don't see, and all of
that, and you kind of interpret
it correctly for the general
audience to appreciate.
So from where you start now,
what's that thing you want young
people to know?
as a concise filmmaking or life
in general life in general,
using your filmmaking experience
and all of that, your journey.
What would you want them to
know?
Speaker 2: So life is a journey
right.
Life is a journey right.
You have to walk each path
knowing that there are layers to
life as well.
So don't don't get to a spot
and be too comfortable to be
like okay, oh, this is what I
have been looking for.
I'm here now, so I will just
stop aspiring or working, right.
So you have to put in the work
and you know, get a skill, get a
skill.
We'll move past this time where
you go to school and they will
not give you unemployment.
I'm saying this because of
people, because I run a
production company I I run a
production company called an
economy all right, right when I
employ people, I always push
them to say do you know what?
in fact, when I employ people
and pay them right, there's
certain times I pay people and
I'm like I'm paying this person
this amount of money to do this
work, how can I just do pay
people?
And I'm like I'm paying
especially this amount of money
to do this work, how can I just
do it myself?
And I realized I cannot do it.
It's a skill, this skill set.
So that's why it's ending that
much exactly my question is get
a skill yeah learn, keep
learning more, grow.
We understand.
Yeah, integrity is the key
right.
Integrity is what.
That's what sets you, that's
what gives you the job most
times, it's not even your talent
, it's integrity, like they say.
Talent isn't enough can.
I trust, not just when people
talk about money, when people
talk about integrity.
It's not just money it's can.
I trust your word if you tell
me that on the 15th of you're
going to deliver the project.
I don't want excuses.
Speaker 1: However you do it,
it's not my business.
Speaker 2: Just keep doing it,
so that thing will set you aside
from other people and stay in a
space where you can grow.
It's like what we do in my own
production company.
We do a couple of projects in
the area.
When we do it, we do a couple
of projects, two or three major
projects.
When we do it, we try to um
what's it called um?
Speaker 1: we try to raise
people in the sense that, okay,
like for instance.
Speaker 2: So there are
different departments.
When we're working on the
project, there's a lights
department there's some students
that so if you're an assistant
for the for the previous year's
project, where we've done and
we're working on your new
project, we want to elevate you
but you have to show it's not
like we're not going to push you
.
You have to you have to show
that okay, you're ready for
leadership you're pairing it,
you know, yeah, and this, this
also, this also, you know, it
will also affect the pay we're
not going to pay you.
We'll not pay you what you paid
last year, so we've done that
for a couple of years now.
We started working inside doing
that since 2020.
wow, so we have a project that
we're working on now, this year
2024.
I've already picked some guys
that were going to, you know,
alleviate.
Let them grow to be in a space
like that where you can go,
because that's what they did for
us as well.
Beautiful, the likes of family.
If I would push you and well, at
the first time, when I was, I
was all about the camera, trying
to get camera out, and he told
me, man, you weren't born with
the camera, don't die with it I
can't forget that and I'm like
okay, I got things that I can't
do and he didn said yeah, and
now, now, I'm not just a camera
operator, which is a DOP, I'm a
director, I'm a director and I'm
a story consultant Right, and I
also run a production company,
which makes me a producer as
well.
So there, are a lot of things a
lot of hats that I can wear, a
lot of shoes that I can fill in
as well.
Yeah, in this world.
yeah, so that's like my advice
to them generally whoever you're
a young person and you want to
grow integrity, first learn your
job.
Yeah, you know and keep it
going.
Make sure you're in the space
where you are.
If you're in this place where
you don't grow, please leave
that space integrity is the word
.
Speaker 1: You know you, you
looking at it as in from
experience.
You know, listening to you,
from experience, and all of that
.
You're just like ticking, or
should I say checking, all the
boxes and somehow young people
just think it happens, just like
that.
No, there's work to it.
There's work to it and, like
you said, integrity, you stand.
You know you're not tomorrow,
fallen today.
I know what you said yesterday
is what we're seeing today.
Not minding the challenges you
know you're facing, you're still
true to your word, by the grace
of God, and all of that, so
happy for you.
So how do you I always ask this
question to my guests on my
show when it comes to managing
everything, how do you rest?
How do you unwind?
You unwind in the midst of all
of your busy schedules and all
of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so my job is
kind of planned.
If I want to work on things,
there's a project.
I'm working on now for a couple
of months.
Speaker 1: We already know when
we want to film.
Speaker 2: We want to film by
August.
What we're doing now is just
the initial process, planning
and all that.
So I know that from August I
have like three weeks to film,
so I have another project by, I
think, october.
So in between, because of how I
have trained myself, I don't
need to be on field from January
to February to December, right?
Speaker 1: because I can fill in
different shoes.
Speaker 2: Right now I'm already
creating like two stories for a
network, right, and I'm in that
space.
I can be home.
I can do that from my laptop or
my desktop or whatever, just
create those stories and define
them well.
So for that time I'm home.
I can rest if I have to like
now I just came back from a set
on Saturday.
I've been there for like 5 days
, so for me that's work.
Now 35 days I'm working, but
now I'm home.
I'm home till 1st of July
before I go for another 6 years.
So from now till I first I have
to read and walk on top stuff at
home.
From first of july to like 20th
I'm busy, you know.
I come back 21st that I rest, I
go back, you know.
So I still have time to catch
up with family and create some
other stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I see a
structure there because it's
well structured, itructured.
It's not like work, work, work
and all of that.
You create that time for family
also to give that balance and
all of that.
It's amazing.
Guys, we've been discussing
with Black Boy Allen, or Allen
Black Boy Oyege, I love that.
When you coined that word, I
said, yes, you're accepting who
you are, you're not running away
from it.
And I I mean guys, he, he has
an amazing story.
I want us to go on.
Let's get the title of that,
the, the one you got the award
for what?
The title again.
Speaker 2: Yorakiruraya.
Yorakiruraya Now speaking yeah
my wife is Yoruba, so I'm
learning.
Speaker 1: Ah, yes, I know, I
know, I know, yes, I know.
So, guys, go go look for that,
go look for that piece he won an
award for it, you know.
And then, obviously, for him to
, for his to win that award and
they did a good job there and
let us support, let us support
our own.
You're a young person out there
you're feeling like, ah,
nothing is there for me and all
that allen black boy is a story
you need to follow.
There's a lot for you out there
.
There's a lot for all of us you
know to become, and all of that
, yes, before I let you go,
allen, before I let you go
what's that word?
I want you to give my audience
one word, to inspire them by.
Speaker 2: I don't know what to
say.
I'm also looking for my own
path.
Speaker 1: Go ahead.
Speaker 2: If there's anything,
it's just my life, my life it's.
I would say, it's a testimony.
Yeah, Generally where I was
born and where, yeah, generally
where I was born and where I'm
at now, where I'm headed.
You know, sometimes I, when I
walk, especially when I walk
with some Europeans, you know,
and they say things like oh
you're a brilliant filmmaker, oh
, I like working with you, and
all that when they say all those
things.
It just reminds me of where I'm
coming from and everything for
me.
What I was saying is the catch
word would be that I had a dream
.
Seriously, I had a dream that
this capital street was going to
be like.
Sir, please, let me just share
go ahead the first time for me
to join aeroplane, I was
probably 27 years old.
I was 26 years old, 26 years
old.
My daughter is not up to 1.
She has probably joined more
than you know what I mean it's
not her fault.
So my point is you know where
I'm coming from.
I had that dream of not staying
there, so that propelled me
into wanting more and learning
meeting people.
I think one thing I also need
to advise people is the kind of
friendship you keep the company
friendship is an investment you
need to invest in the right sort
of people and let them invest
in you as well.
So please, while you're keeping
friends, make sure that you
know the ones that you can help
and that can also help you
because that's what we're all.
Speaker 1: We're all helped by
humans, yeah yes, yes, true guys
you heard it dream it work with
the right company, then ask for
help.
Because the truth is these
three things, they are super
ingredients for success and it
clearly shows in the life of
Alan.
You know I'm super excited.
Don't mind him calling me uncle
, he has a reason.
You hear that.
You hear that I am and I'm
excited.
He's one of so many young
people I've worked with over the
years and seeing them grow and
become something that I can
point to, even let my children
see.
I said, see that guy, say yes,
daddy, who is he?
And I give them a backstory.
Say daddy really said yes, so
it's possible.
Thank you so much for taking out
this time.
I mean to come on the World
Cafe.
I mean, I'm sure, to share your
story and also to inspire my
audience and the world at large.
I am so glad, guys, I have to
let him go now, but you know how
we do it on the show.
This is the space where we come
in to lean on one another,
others experience, to forge a
positive path, and you know how
we say it on the show till I
come your way again.
Bye for now, alan thank you,
thank you, thank you.
Thank you for having me welcome,
god bless awesome time it has
been with you on the World Cafe
podcast today.
Thank you for being there.
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.
Bye for now.
You.