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S5 Ep. 310 What Your Favorite Color Says About Your Voice

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Your title is the first promise you make to a reader, and your cover is the first proof you know what you’re doing. We walk through how to choose a book title that lands fast, why long titles often weaken the hook, and how a single word can carry theme, mood, and meaning. Along the way we pull from familiar references like Odyssey to show how names collect history, and we challenge the idea that you should write only for what looks “commercially viable.”

Then we get hands-on with book cover design and color psychology. Why does a dark cover pull you in sometimes? What does black signal besides evil or sadness? We talk symbolism, intensity, shades, contrast, and how readers make instant assumptions from color before they read a line. We even connect ROYGBIV and the rainbow as covenant to the bigger point: color is language, and your favorite color often reveals something real about your inner content and your voice.

From imagination to endings, we also tackle core creative writing skills: building vivid imagery, using small details like pixels that add up to a full picture, and writing conclusions that open into possibility and the future. Finally, we clarify persona and author voice, plus why research matters at any age. Shakespeare listened to street talk and turned it into lines that lasted centuries, and you can do the same by paying attention to real speech, real memory, and real moments.

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SPEAKER_05: All right then. How are we? Well, welcome to today's class. You're pretty far from us. You will show me that you are. Your game. You know what it means to be game? You're ready. Is when assignments are given and they are done within the stipulated time. It only shows that you're ready. So being a writer takes a lot of work. Alright? It does. So the first assignment was what? The introduction, which we have done. Good. The next was what? unknown: Chapter one and two. SPEAKER_05: Chapter one and two. Chapter one and two. So who has done his or her chapter one and two? Not is here. Have you submitted it? You submitted it? Okay. We'll take a look at it. So today I want us to do something. And I said we're going to look at how to design your cover and how to come about your title of your work. I saw a couple of you, as in when I went through the introduction, I saw what a good number of you did in terms of introducing the subject matter. Okay, this is what I want to write about, this is what, and all of that. Beautiful. So let's start with this. What do you want to call your book? What do you want to title your book? I want us to go around. Don't worry. Let me hear you. The title of your book. SPEAKER_06: I think maybe you think Okay, the title of my something. SPEAKER_02: The title of my book T was T was dreams. No? SPEAKER_01: Like T was T was journey through history. SPEAKER_06: That's a sentence. So who knows the meaning of the word? Or you've heard the word Odysseus. SPEAKER_05: Odyssey or Odysseus. SPEAKER_01: I've heard Odyssey, but I don't know what it means. SPEAKER_05: You've heard Ulisi. SPEAKER_06: Ulisi was coined from Odyssey. I like that. SPEAKER_05: Ulisi was coined from Odyssey. So the story of Odyssey is a story of a man born donkey years ago. In my opinion, it was a myth. But who am I? You know, his he was from that part of the world that we call Greece today. His story came from the Troy story. Well, you've heard about Troy, the city of Troy. unknown: Yes, the Trojan War. SPEAKER_05: The Trojan War. Good. The Trojan War. Who was it about Troy? Trojan War. The famous saying, be weary or be careful of the Greeks and their what? Gifts came from that war. A lot of the sayings we have in English today, in grammar, poetry, and all that, came from that experience. I'm only saying this just to betray the title of your work. You could just speak just a name or two words. Not such a long. Amanda's book. SPEAKER_06: One of her works. What's the title of the work? SPEAKER_05: So what comes to your mind when you look at the dream count? What comes to your mind? SPEAKER_06: You mean, yeah? Like how many times she has had a dream or something. Okay. What else? Huh? SPEAKER_00: When a dream continues. SPEAKER_05: When a dream continues to repeat itself, good. But you'll be surprised when you open the book. It could just be an experience between herself and some group of people. Maybe her father, her mother. So she's telling a story. And the minute you hear the word dream, more often than not, what comes to your mind is what? Imagination. SPEAKER_06: What else? Sleep. What else? SPEAKER_05: Look at the cover of that book. What did you see? Look at it again. What does it look like? SPEAKER_00: Like stars and a hell and tree. SPEAKER_05: Stars, what else? SPEAKER_00: A hell, like a cavity. SPEAKER_05: No, you're not you're not seeing what I want you to see. There's a theme we're seeing there. SPEAKER_00: In the night, night, no. unknown: Night. SPEAKER_05: There's a color you need to see. Black. SPEAKER_05: Dang, that's why you picked your balls. Black. What does black signify to you? SPEAKER_00: Darkness. SPEAKER_05: Darkness, okay. What else? SPEAKER_00: Something like death or body. SPEAKER_05: Don't you think dark or black signifies something rich? Something rich. Humorous. When you pick the earth, what do you see? SPEAKER_00: Something dark. SPEAKER_05: No, when you pick the earth, it's dark, but what do you see? Like in your garden, what do you see? Humorous is rich. Compost is rich, correct? So why must dark represent evil? SPEAKER_06: So we're gonna start from there today. SPEAKER_05: When you want to design, first of all, you want to give your book a title. So I always tell people, don't be in a hurry. Okay, let me tell you a story. You know, our class is always full of stories. Who knows the name? Stan Lee. SPEAKER_06: You know Stan Lee? Who is he? Who is he? Who knows the Marvel comic? Marvel. SPEAKER_05: The name or the brain behind Marvel is Stan Lee. That's Stan Lee. S-T-A-N-L-E-E, Stan Lee. That's why that's how he calls himself. He's the brain behind Marvel. Most of the stories you see on the Marvel comic, whatever, Stan Lee. But this is one he is known for. Spider-Man. You know, when he came up with the character of Spider-Man, they threw it away. They called it one funny name. But he said no, that the name of this character is Spider-Man. And they said it doesn't appeal. It's not appealing. It's not commercially viable. But he told them no. This is how it came. And he won, actually. He won. He won the battle. And they gave in to it. And today, Spider-Man, Spider-Man, your neighborhood, blah, blah, blah. For information, that's what inspired part of what I do. I am your neighborhood world trader, just like Spider-Man, your neighborhood hero. That's how I describe myself anyway. So your work should be inspired by your experience, not necessarily the commercial nature. So I brought these balls for a reason. And everybody picked a color. And I'm going to start from there to help our idea, our conception, and all of that. SPEAKER_06: So, Awashika, why did you pick that ball? Your favorite colour is blue. Okay. Why did you pick that ball? I picked the ball because why did you pick the ball? I should go pick. SPEAKER_01: I said because blue is my favorite color. SPEAKER_05: Blue is our favorite colour. Alright. And you? SPEAKER_01: I pick the ball because green stands for the green grass. SPEAKER_06: Green grass. SPEAKER_01: Yes. SPEAKER_06: Something refreshing. SPEAKER_01: Yes. SPEAKER_06: Why did you pick? What's your colour? Red. SPEAKER_01: It's my favorite color and it also signifies like intensity. Yes. SPEAKER_06: What did you pick? Purple. So why did they pick purple? SPEAKER_02: Because it signifies loyalty. SPEAKER_06: Royalty. Is it your favorite colour? It just signifies royalty. Okay. Why did you pick your own colour? Where is your colour? Purple too. It's because of royalty. You pick purple. Why? SPEAKER_00: Because purple is my favorite color. SPEAKER_05: So who can tell me the seven primary I mean the primary colours and how many are there? I've given it away anyway. SPEAKER_06: Huh? Red? Okay. Yellow, good. Blue. SPEAKER_05: So let us let us use an acronym, Roy Beef. You've heard about Roig Beef, so let us flow with Roig Beav now. He gives us the seven primary colors, correct? So you start with what? Followed by, followed by, followed by, followed by, followed by Indigo, followed by. So these are the seven primary colors. And why are they called seven primary colors? Do you know why? Why? SPEAKER_00: I think because um they are the colors that's when combined can make other colors. SPEAKER_01: Like they are independent. SPEAKER_05: Okay, not really. SPEAKER_01: I think they are called the seven primary colors because, like she said, when they are combined, but it's not like they are independent. They create one significant color like it's not mainly white, but it's like light. SPEAKER_05: Where are you from? I understand. I know where you're from. Where are you from? Because she just gave me what I wanted. They are called the primary colors because they come from light, they are not white. You know, when you look at the bright light, it's not white. That's why the rainbow gives you the seven primary colors. So when there's a refraction, let me not speak too many grammar, but let me help you so that if you guys will begin to read more. The white light, when it's refracted, gives you the seven primary colors. But do you know what about something about the seven primary colors? Should I tell you? That is the covenant, the color of the covenant. The rainbow, thank you. When God came to uh Noah, how did God reveal Himself to Noah? Through the rainbow. The rainbow is the covenant. So let me take you through a little journey to help your mind in conceiving everybody who walks the earth has a favorite color. Everybody. And everybody who walks the earth also has a favorite sound. SPEAKER_03: Who can tell me the seven notes of sound? Dore, mi, fa, sola, ti. No, do is a repetition. SPEAKER_05: Do re mi fa sola ti. Do. So they are still seven, aren't they? So the combination of these seven gives you the mirror of sound you have all around you. The combination of these seven colors also gives you every possibility on earth. So when you pick the color, what you're only expressing is that thing on your very inside. Your content. Your content. She chose red. She said passion. And when you listen to the way she speaks and the way she writes, she's very passionate for your information. My color is what? Blue, azuri, the sky, limitless possibilities. That's my I love blue. I don't know why, but it speaks to me. The river, the sky, the sea, exactly, the blue sea. Just blue is one color that again they say people who are born in match love blue. Not necessarily, but you are born in match, but you don't love blue. Okay. Pisces, as they say, let me not go into the zodiac and all that, because I'm not a believer of the zodiac, even if I study the zodiac to disprove a lot of things, fine. But this is where I'm going with my thought. SPEAKER_06: Your colour expresses who you are. Mm-hmm. SPEAKER_05: That's why you picked it. So the first thing anybody sees, like when I came into this bookstore today and I was going through the shelves and I saw Chimamanda's work, The Dream Count, and I've seen, I've heard about it. Do you know what drew me to it? Guess what drew me to it? The color. And Chim Amanda can be can be so many things but dark. If you understand what I mean by that, she can be so many things but dark. But this color tells me her intensity in expressing. Because a lot of more times people associate black with evil or dark. No, not necessarily. Like I said, the soil is what? The soil, the earth, when you pick it up, is what? It's dark. It's black. So to say, but it's very rich. What will exist without the soil? Somebody help me. Can anything exist without the soil, without the earth? SPEAKER_06: Can? No. Cannot. Yeah. SPEAKER_05: So you must pick it from there. Now, you want to design your cover. What do you want the reader to see? See the way I was attracted to that Chimamanda's work. To what do you want? That's where you begin to play with your imagination. Red. What are the shades of red? SPEAKER_00: Wines. Wine red. SPEAKER_05: Wine red. No. Don't tell me. Play with your imagination now. What are the shades of red? What are the shades of purple? Imagine if I mix purple and black. What do you think I will get? A darker shade of purple or a darker shade of black, if there's anything like that. You know? So you begin to play. You begin to play. You begin to play. That's how to create a compelling or attractive cover. First thing that attracts people to your work is what? Your cover. Because when I came into the shop or the bookstore this morning, my daughter just ran to something. Guess what she ran to? A particular colour that spoke to something she's been seeing, shimmering and shining. And she's just like, ah, Daddy, blah. And it's like, okay. So let's look at that. See that now. Look that way. What are you seeing? Get point out one thing you're seeing. Albert Einstein. That face alone on that book will just attract you. Because that's a mad scientist that existed. Was he a madman? Weird. He was mentally unstable. No, Albert was not. Albert was not mentally unstable. He was very stable. The world didn't understand him. Yes. SPEAKER_03: Do you know that the story about Albert is one that see Imagination? SPEAKER_05: So imagine the words on the canvas. Imagine the words from your dreams. Yearning, fighting to find expression. SPEAKER_03: Imagination. SPEAKER_06: And your hands are like the painter's brush. SPEAKER_03: Imagination. SPEAKER_05: All right, open your eyes. Come back home. Come back home. So you see, that's how you can and you should engage with the image in your mind. And images are limitless. You can create an image of peace. You can create an image of chaos. You can create an image of love, melancholy. SPEAKER_06: What else can you create? SPEAKER_00: Fun. SPEAKER_06: Fun. Okay, what else? Huh? SPEAKER_00: Image of soon. Sorrow. SPEAKER_05: Sorrow. Okay. unknown: Depth. SPEAKER_05: Depth. Okay. So let me let me let me let me take you guys on a little journey to help your imagination and how to create imagery. Have you tried looking at a digital image before at a close proximity? SPEAKER_06: What do you see? Or what did you see? SPEAKER_01: It looks different from the way you see it from the distance. SPEAKER_05: Okay, what kind of difference? SPEAKER_01: When you take a picture of a human being, the eyes look white. When you look closer, you might see different things. SPEAKER_00: Different things like because it is red marks. SPEAKER_05: Okay. Now, do you know that when you look at an image closely, a digital image, what you likely see are dots. Dots like arranged in a sequence that brings out an image. So where am I going with this? When uh sorry, when photography was created by what was his name again? What was this guy? The light bulb guy, Thomas Edison. Even though he's not the one that invented the light bulb. That's a discourse for another day, anyway. So what he did was he carried, he looked at, first of all, what he did was he looked at during horse racing, the way the horses were moving. So, like you take a picture of it, you see a static image, correct? But when you The image on at a very fast pace, you increase it. What do you see? If you see a static image like this, a static, then you flip it, then you put it on a continuous speed. You increase the speed gradually, gradually. What do you think you're going to see? SPEAKER_00: It looks as if it fades. SPEAKER_05: It doesn't fade away. SPEAKER_06: It looks like it's moving. SPEAKER_05: So image, time, and motion creates exactly. That was how he created the first motion picture, so to say. And then the rest now they say it's history. Where am I going with this? You are creating with tiny information, details that when you put them together in that pattern, it creates a sequence that everybody wants to like. Okay? Okay. Get a piece of it. SPEAKER_06: Angela, are you okay? You seem lost. You're sure. Alright. SPEAKER_05: Now we have chapter three and chapter four to go, correct? Now, conclusion. How do you conclude your story? I want to stop so that you guys will ask questions so that we'll pick it up from there. SPEAKER_06: Do you know that the best part of any story most likely is the conclusion? SPEAKER_05: Sometimes, yes, the beginning, introduction, and all of that, but the best part is how exactly? How does this story end? Everybody just wants to know how does the story end? The end could inspire, you know, evoke certain emotion for you to like long for something, or it can just make you like lose hope completely and all of that. So, how do I come with my conclusion? So, conclusion points to possibilities, the future. A good conclusion would always point to what? Possibilities. SPEAKER_06: The future. What is the future? Not necessarily. All that we can be, that we are yet to become, that's the future. SPEAKER_05: All that we can be, that we are yet to what? Become. That is the future. And it takes audacity. You must be audacious. So somebody asked me once, why do you do what you do? And the best way I could answer the person was because of the breath in me. I said, I don't understand. What do you mean by because of the breath in you? Because the breath I have in me is divinity. Because the word of God says, and God what? Breath into him. And he became what? A living being. So what you see flowing in me is the breath of God. That's the audacity I have to do what I'm doing. If you don't like it, I'm not sorry about it. I'm not apologetic either. Do you understand that? So you just have to know it. People may say, ah, your work is not. No, it's not about my work, it's not. This is an expression from within. SPEAKER_01: Well, is it not meant to be like how the person receives it? SPEAKER_05: Who is the person? SPEAKER_01: The reader. SPEAKER_05: The reader. Okay, fine. SPEAKER_01: What timing is that? SPEAKER_05: Yeah. The reader receives your work and critiques it, correct? Fine. You're critiquing my work very well, but I will not change my work because you critiqued it. I would only give you a better side of my work. I improve every day. You understand? You don't lose yourself when writing. No, you don't do that. No, you don't. You don't. You must be what? Authentic. There's only one Michael. What's your surname? Daniel. Michael, what's your other name? SPEAKER_06: Daniel. There's only one Michael, Daniel. No, there's only one Michael Daniel that has this kind of face. SPEAKER_05: There may be other Michael Daniel's, but they don't have this kind of face. There's only one Amakris, there's no other. You're unique, you're special. And your uniqueness is what you're bringing to the fore. Imagine the number of walks in this place. See the books. Just imagine. These are minds speaking here. So for a minute, imagine if we can hear the books speak to us. This place will be what? Noisy, exactly. A beautiful cacophony. You hear Chimamanda, you will hear who again? Isaac Newton, Albert Einstein. You're going to hear who again. I saw uh Abdul Salami's book. Who knows Abdul Salami? How many of us know Abdul Salami? You don't know Abdul Salami. You've only heard that name. My Jesus. Nigerians, we need to wake up our kids. Abdul Salami was former head of state of Nigeria. You know him. Oh. Please, somebody take this to Abdul Salami. The children don't know you. They need to know you. Our children need to know you now. So it was one-time leader. He was the one that worked on the movement of military rule to civilian rule in 1999. He handed over to who? Olushegun or Aremu Obasenjo, that's his full name. So, no, that's his book is there. I saw it there. So that's how it is. So you adding your own voice to the number of voices now is not enough. Some of us will think, oh, we have enough. No, we don't have enough books. We still need more books. Because somebody said in our last class, books are what? unknown: Windows. SPEAKER_05: Windows. They open us up to possibilities. All right. SPEAKER_06: I'm going to take a break there and questions. So go and meet the receptions and tell them. Let's go towards the door. Yeah, yeah. SPEAKER_01: You said, like, imagine if this was mine, and in my mind, I was like, I was imagining this place as they were filled with brains, not voices. So I'm not like, okay, but you said that the persona is not the viewer, and it's not the like author itself. So how is it now like the voice? And you don't even know which voice it is. Don't even know the voice it is. SPEAKER_05: Alright. So now let me explain what I mean by the voices in this place. So every book was written by who? An author, correct? So the author has, you know, when you say a voice, poetically speaking, you're not just talking about somebody's vocal chord releasing. Yes. Your voice could be a channel of expression. You understand? This is their way of expressing their thoughts, what they have, what they've conceived within their bowels, their belly, their person. So that's what they're expressing. But again, when you pick up a book and you're reading, like I said the last time, what you're hearing is not the author's voice, it is what the author has created and is like a legal entity. It's called persona. I don't want to take you people too far for your age. It's persona, it's created. Okay, let me explain it this way. Okay, uh what's this place called? Roving Heights Bookstore. Was it, did it just appear on its own? Someone thought of it and created it. But do you know that when the person went to register it, the person did not register it as the human being. He registered it as what? A bookstore, an organization, and he gave it a legal what? Entity. So imagine the owner of Roving Heights is Mr. X. But when we are looking at Roving Heights on the national stage or anywhere, we're not seeing Mr. X. What are we seeing? Roving Heights is an entity, legally existing entity. That's to say, even after Mr. X is gone, Roving Heights still still remains. So that's what we mean by persona. You give your right and you create a voice. That voice is not necessarily your voice, as it were, but it is an i uh what do you call it? An identity you have created. So when you're writing, if I come across your work, I know this voice. SPEAKER_01: If we do things for the room, it's dream. SPEAKER_06: Dream counts. SPEAKER_08: What is that? SPEAKER_05: It's different voices, different expressions. Chimamanda, the way she writes is not the same way Chinuachibe writes. SPEAKER_00: Even if it's from the same. SPEAKER_05: Even if it's from the same, no. So if you follow Chimamanda's work, the way she speaks, the way she writes, rather, she writes like uh, how am I going to put it? To help your understanding. She writes like an old woman from Nigeria. When I mean an old woman, I'm not talking about age now, I'm talking about experience. That's the way she writes. Like somebody who has experienced life in such a way that when you look at her physical demeanor as when you look so young compared to the voice I'm hearing in the book. That's the way Chimamanda writes. You get she can relate with you at that level. It's a style of writing. Question I want you guys to ask questions because this is where we become so practical with our writing. SPEAKER_01: For example, now this cafe ducks kit song, the color can tell me that yeah, it's coffee or tea with me. SPEAKER_05: No, it's coffee, actually, not tea. SPEAKER_01: Okay, coffee. So if I now say a book and I see like the title is somehow yellow, but the entire book is now blue. The entire book? No, not the entire book, like the cover. The cover is blue. Yeah. And the picture on it is the same color as the title. How do you come to the conclusion that I might know what this book says? Even if after you have written, even if after you have read it, how you come to the conclusion that I somehow knew what the writer was saying, even though it was different colors. SPEAKER_05: So let me try and answer your question by inference. Yellow speaks to what? The color yellow speaks to what? Brightness. Something gale, happy. You understand? Blue speaks to what? SPEAKER_01: Calm. SPEAKER_06: Calm. What again? You know the meaning of the word ubiquitous. SPEAKER_05: Ubiquity. Something that is pervasive is everywhere. That's the meaning. So again, I'm called to that. We'll speak to that before we go. The way you use words. So the sky is ubiquitous. It's everywhere you go. So blue, that's it. Yellow. So if I if I see a book with that kind of a cover, my mind will just go that it's either this person is trying to communicate something that was calm, happy, and everywhere. SPEAKER_06: That I can experience anywhere I go. Yeah. So that's another way to interpret colors when it comes to your. So let me let me speak to this aspect of writing. SPEAKER_05: Research is too much for your age, but I will say it. It will help you. Research. I used the word ubiquity, and you guys were like, Uncle, we don't know that word. Good. So he tells me you need to go and do what? That's it. William Shesper. How many of you know Shakespeare? And I know I said this in the last class. What do you know about Shakespeare? Let me start from there. SPEAKER_01: He's a poet and he creates plays. SPEAKER_06: He's a poet and a playwright, okay? What else? SPEAKER_01: Famous for Romeo and Juliet. SPEAKER_05: Famous for Romeo and Juliet, Marchant of Venice, Macbeth. What else again? In my opinion, he stole most of the stories. Don't go there. So let me explain. So Shakespeare was known from history what we were told for playwright, poetic expressions, and what have you. But there's something Shakespeare used to do. I read about it, I researched it. I'll put it in the group for us to see. He goes on the streets and he listens to conversations. He listens to how people interact. Have you heard this word before? Good night, sleep what? Good night, sleep what? Sleep tight. So do you know that? Where this came from, should I tell you? And the sailors used to sleep on the ship on what? Huh? No water. They either sleep on hammocker. You know what it will call this? The hamaka. Is it hammock or hammocker? This thing they tie from end to end. It's hammock, thank you. Now, some of them sleep in bags. They said, Sleep, I mean, good night, sleep tight, let not what the bed bugs bite. So then they used to have a bug problem. Bed bugs. So what they do now, they sleep in bags and they tidy themselves. So they said to each other, good night, sleep tight, let not the what bed bug bite. So Shakespeare stole that line and used it for a play. And Shakespeare used to organize play for the royalties, you know. Those people that speak the quaint English. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. You know the way they laugh and all of that. So he goes there to display all of that. He stole it from the street. Another one. You are as dull as what? The door. Nob or the door nail. These are expressions that commoners use. When they see a dull person like that trying to explain something to you, you're not getting it. You know, it's just like when you put a door, I mean a nail on the door. The nail doesn't feel pain. All you do is what? Hate it. So you see how they create these things, expressions. That's it. So they now bring what I call legality in terms of syntax and semantics in English or grammar to make it acceptable. So you now see the queen one day, quick Victoria steps on to make a speech and say, just like you go to bed, sleep tight, and everybody says the queen just use those words. So they are now what? Legal tender. And again, they are commercially what? Viable. You know what is when you say something that's commercially viable, do you know what that means? I can exchange with it or in it or through it. Just like you hear in Nigeria today, and I say Olodo generation. What is Olodo? Dumb person. Before you know, you know uh what do you call them? Oxford Dictionary will bring a legality around it, and now you just hear the British Prime Minister say, just like the Nigerians will say, the Olodo generation. And before you know it, everybody carries Olodo. So you see, that's how that's how these guys go about creating. And it becomes because you know, the English, the English conquered after the Roman Empire, they conquered the world and they stayed at that conquest for almost a thousand years. So language of communication and trade was what was English. Yeah. Yeah. You go to India, English, you go to Europe, English, you come to Africa, a good number of the colonies or countries in Africa were uh colonized by who? The English. They're using English. So that again now influenced it. But again, they picked certain nuances from these colonies and owned it and turned it into. So if you look at English, English is a borrowed language. So many things we say in English are not English. Yeah. So many things we say in English, they are not English. Cliche is not English. In motion. So most of the songs you hear, you hear people sing, publish, you know, and all of that. A good number of those songs came in sequence, or not necessarily, yes, something, but this is where I'm going with my thought. A good number of them did not come all at once. Some of them came over a period of four, five, six years. Ah, yes. So let me give an example. Your parents will know this song. Uh, what's his name now? SPEAKER_04: Ah, am I forgetting his name? Sugar Pie, don't you cry? Honey, you know I love you. SPEAKER_05: Your mom is, tell your daddies to play this song for you. The guy that sang that song, he said. I'll look for it. Don't worry. We're in the internet age. I'll look for it, and he said, he used to sit at his grandfather's, his, I think his grandfather's. Uh bakery. People come to buy things and they say things like honey, sugar pie. Do you want some cupcakes? And all that. So he was speaking those words. And guess when he wrote the song? SPEAKER_06: When he was almost in his early 30s. SPEAKER_01: Any of his 30s. You'll be like around 10 doing that. SPEAKER_05: That's what I'm telling you. So he's seen the exchange between people. They come to the shop, you see a husband and wife come. Maybe the husband tells the wife, honey, do you care for this cupcake? Sugar pie, you know. SPEAKER_04: So the guy was just like, okay, this is how to express love. And when it was time, he wrote the song. Should you just die, don't you? Who is wait? SPEAKER_05: Let me play the song for them. SPEAKER_04: Honey, you know, I love you. SPEAKER_06: I pray I get it. So that's how writing all also works. Don't worry, I'm I'm giving you people too many. Sugar pie honey bunch. That's the song. SPEAKER_05: I think it was done by the temptations or so. It's a very old song. So that's how he wrote it. Sitting by his grandfather's shop, he sees people come in, still wanting to 1965. The one girl, let your fellows play it for you. Let them help your imaginations. So that's how writing is. So certain experiences you've had over maybe when you were one, two. Somebody, let me tell you this story. It sounds outlandish, but you know, I was telling somebody that I remember what happened to me when I was one, two years old. And everybody was like, how do you remember that? It sounds very difficult, I mean impossible, but because of the circumstances that surrounded my birth, I had a lot of issues, pain growing up. So it registered in my in my being. So sometimes when I'm just sitting down, it comes back. SPEAKER_06: I write them down. Yeah. My neighborhood. SPEAKER_05: You know what you people call. I wish I came with my book. I wish I came. I would have given you copies. There's something my daughter told me yesterday. You people call it now Apollo. There's this white substance that floats in the air. It's actually, yeah, it's actually from a tree. It's like a pollen from a tree. You you guys call it Apollo. You don't know the story behind it. So growing up, we had this. We had this thing. It never happened again. It has never happened again. I've never seen it. We had this set of butterflies. They had numbers on them. Like numbers. One, two, three, four, eight, fifty-eight. When the polling came out, these butterflies also came out that season. As children, we started capturing them. I think I was three years old or so then. We started capturing them, we put them in a glass jar, you know, a child imagination and fantasy and all that. That happened in 1982. Way back, Hamatan season. I can still remember. The atmosphere was dry and all that. It never happened again. Guess what? When I was in secondary school, I picked up a magazine of a photojournalist in Brazil, in the Amazon, showing his pictures. I saw my butterflies. So I wrote about it in one of my books. The butterflies with wings. Yes, butterflies already have wings. And I said, butterfly with wings. Don't worry. In our next class, I'll bring my books as a gift for you guys to see. So you see, that's how it happens. I end there. Let's have our lunch. Thank you. Our assignment is our what? SPEAKER_01: Our chapter 12. SPEAKER_05: No, it's our assignment. I expect you to say that agreement is what? Uh huh. Yes, we're in Nigerian. Now that's not to show that we're Nigerians. All right, then. If you have any other question, put it in a group. You have my number. Your parents have my number. Give me a call. We'll continue the conversation. All right then. Thank you guys. If you have more chapters to write, feel free. Just write. If the creative juice is flowing, don't stop it. Just bring more jar. You know, let the juice keep flowing. We'll see how we'll manufacture more juices from it. Thank you.

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