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SPEAKER_00: Hi, welcome to the
World Cafe Live Show.
Good morning, good afternoon,
good evening, good everything.
How are you?
Yes, I always look for certain
spaces that will inspire not
just me, but my audience, and
try my best to bring that to
you.
Yep.
So how are you?
Yeah, I'm in a different city
today.
Yeah, I'm in a different place
today.
I'm doing well.
I'm fine.
And uh quite excited.
Yep.
So this is the space where we
come in to lean on one and
others' experience to forge a
positive path.
What am I going to be doing
today?
I want to start today's
conversation from this point of
view.
I'm a Christian.
Yep.
Not ashamed of it.
I say it anywhere I go, and all
the time.
The Bible is one book that it
gives me so much.
Much, much, much.
So each time I go through it, it
excites me.
I see things, perspective
changes, and what have you.
But over time, I have come to
see certain scriptures that stay
with me, as in they are just
there each moment.
Maybe I'm going through one
challenge or the other, you
know, I just fall back on it.
Three of them always, I'm going
to share that with you on this
episode.
The first one, the first day I
heard it as a growing Christian,
a child, as in young, it excited
me so much.
Anytime I go back to it, it is
that exclamation, my father, my
father, the horsemen and the
chariots of Israel.
Yeah, you heard it.
Elisha, when he saw Elijah taken
from him.
You know, you see that in 2
Kings chapter 2.
You know, the walk of Elijah and
Elisha is so, I will call it
culture-shaping
future-determining one, that his
life, that the life of Elijah as
a whole nation, Israel as a
nation, undeniably could not
look away from the, what I say,
results.
So when it was time for him to
leave, and that event happened,
I'm not going to go through all
the stories as in the different
sides of the story, but I'm
going to tell you what each time
I go there, what hits me, that
cry.
And if you look at the life of
Elijah and the life of Elisha,
it's like everything that
happened in Elijah's life, in
terms of ministry, work, you
know, shaping the culture of
Israel, determining the
governance, the economic
policies, and all of that.
The same thing, if not, I would
say near the same, also happened
in the life of Elisha.
I will tell you why when we get
there.
But that cry, my father, my
father, he said, the chariot of
Israel and the horsemen thereof,
and he saw him no more, and he
took hold of his own cloth and
rent them into pieces.
Now, first of all, that cry of
father is not necessary biology
now, but he's acknowledging who
Elijah was to him, a father.
You know, fatherhood has to do
with protection, provision, you
know, creating a path.
So he cried that cry,
acknowledging the influence of
Elijah over him as a father, as
a protector, as a giver, he
looked up to him and he was
gone.
Say the horsemen and the chariot
of Israel, or the horsemen, let
me put it correctly, my father,
my father, the chariot of Israel
and the horsemen thereof.
Now, let me read out something
for you.
Another, the way another
translator, you know, looks at
it.
He said, My master, my master,
who was better to Israel than
chariots and horsemen by his
prayers.
You know, when you look at that
from a face value, when you look
at that scripture, that cry,
that statement, okay, what was
he referring to?
He literally saw from what
scripture says a chariot of fire
coming down, whisking his father
away from him.
Chariot, fire.
So, what did you notice there?
Chariot is meant for what?
War, you know, pointing to an
army, then fire, pointing to the
fervency and vibrancy of
Elijah's prayer.
So now listen, let me read out
something for you.
Now he says, the personal work
and influence of a prophet like
Elijah was the truest safeguard
of Israel.
The force of the expression will
be seen if it is remembered that
chariots and horsemen
constituted in that age the
chief military arm and were
indispensable for the struggle
against the Iranian state.
Basically, what Elisha was
crying there was the whole force
of Israel's army put together
could not be compared to Elijah.
His prayer, his fervency, his
work.
You know, this presupposes or
opens up to me that Elijah was
not ordinary.
He had a backing.
He was working with God, and he
had provisions from that realm,
the heavenly realm, back in him.
And when Elisha saw it, he
couldn't help but to esclaim,
like acknowledging that indeed
my father was not ordinary.
My father represented a force
higher than the earthly forces.
Because you know, in the life of
Elijah, there was a time when
the king came for him.
And when the king came for him,
his servant went to ease himself
in the morning.
And when he came out, he said he
saw the mountains, he saw
everywhere covered with uh what
they call armies put together by
the Assyrians or whatever.
And Elijah looked at him and
said, Lord, open his eyes to
see.
And when he saw, he was like,
Okay.
Somebody will say, Why are you
bringing why are you talking
about this on the on this
episode?
I'll tell you why.
We have an unlimited flow of
resources in our belief system
as a Christian.
So in your business, in that
thing you're doing, there's an
unlimited flow of resources.
And that's the cry of Elisha.
And you know one thing, when you
look at the life of Elisha,
something happened when he was
about to die.
The king also came to him and
saw Elisha.
He said the same thing: this
cry, my father, my father, the
chariots, and you know, in that
context, he was looking at the
prophet, the strong man lying
there, weak.
Like, how come that us also go
to underscore our mortality, our
mortality should teach us
humility?
Our mortality.
And I was asking myself, how
would a king repeat those same
words?
So that's to say, when Elisha
said those words, they were
recorded.
People heard it, people took
record of it, and it was going
around the city, it was going
around the town, you know, and
as it were, like content
creation, you know, everybody
was just seeing it.
And when it was time, that story
reinforced in their belief
system.
Another scripture that keeps me,
each time I look at it, it
humbles me.
It's Isaiah chapter 1, verse 18.
He says, Come now and let us
reason together, saith the Lord.
Though your sins be as scarlet,
they shall be as white as snow.
Though they be red like crimson,
crimson, they shall be as wool.
Now, this is how I see it each
time I go through this.
Imagine an authority.
Now let me read out something
here.
The authorized version suggests
the thought of a discussion
between equals.
This was a conversation.
Imagine your father calling you,
come, let us reason together.
You know what it means to
reason?
Yeah.
Let's talk.
Now the other part of it, yes,
has to do with salvation,
redemption, but this is where
I'm coming with that thought.
He said, though your though your
sins be as scarlet, they shall
be as white as snow.
Though they be red like crimson,
they shall be as wool.
So do you do you know how to
turn black to white?
Do you know the technology you
need to turn a sour situation to
a sweet one?
I don't think you do.
So come, let us reason.
It's like divinity was calling
humanity.
Come, can we talk?
Let's reason.
And the truth is, when you
reason, when you reason with
true reason, you will be
humbled.
Something happened recently,
Charlie Kirk.
The assassination of Charlie
Kirk, you know, and the whole of
the US, the world, a good number
of us.
So there's this guy, I think his
name is Vance.
Something Vance.
Let me remember his name.
He was, he comes on uh on CNN.
He's a CNN anchor.
Oh, when I get his name, I'll
let you know.
I know I watched the video and
it caught me like really Van
Jones.
That's his name.
Van Jones.
I was calling him Vans.
Van Jones, that's his name.
He, I mean, he wasn't a fan of
Charlie Kirk.
They always, they always had
this banter, you know, back and
forth.
Now, Charlie Kirk reached out to
him and said, sent him a DM and
said to him that can we talk?
I want us to sit down and
discuss and debate.
You know, Charlie Kirk likes
debating and said, can we
disagree agreeably?
And Van Jones on CNN broke down
in my, you know, he was
emotional.
He said, when his team told him
of this, that Charlie, that was
a day, two days or so before he
was assassinated, tried to reach
him.
And he said, Really?
He said, Yes, you know, on X, he
sent a direct message to you.
And he said, I may not be his
fan, but that is the work of a
good man.
So that is called reasoning.
He said, Come, let us reason
together.
Each time I think of this, it's
like, wow.
So you know, sometimes you want
to have a problem, you want to
get something done, you need to
reason.
That's why you have brains.
A lot of us have, would I say,
uh given away our sense of
reasoning?
We have uh, what's our word now?
Shipped it away.
We have given it to another.
No, this is God calling you, you
know, like, can you sit down?
Can we reason this together?
There's a limit to your what you
can see, but there's no limit to
what God can see and what God
can do.
But he wants to reason.
He wants to, and that's to say,
like God bringing you to that
intellectual level, bringing you
to that intellectual level, and
you are discussing with
divinity, you are talking with
him, you are exchanging ideas
with him as an equal.
It's humbling, I must say.
No, it's humbling.
God is not running away.
Somebody said something to me
once.
No, okay, I heard it actually.
I was reading and I, you know,
heard it like God is not afraid
of your questions.
Never.
But you know what?
You don't question God.
There are two different things.
Yeah, there are two different
things.
Just like when Job was asking
questions and say, God answered
him.
Come, sit down.
I will question you like a man.
Who are you to darken my
counsel?
Who the third one, this one is
in Psalms, Psalms 138, verse 2.
It this one humbles me.
I will worship toward thy holy
temple and praise thy name for
thy loving kindness and for thy
truth, for thou hast magnified
thy word above your name.
You know, sometimes when we talk
about responsibility, when we
talk about governance, when we
talk about accountability, some
people feel they are above being
accountable.
They are above the law, they do
things like and get away with it
and all of that.
But hello, listen, listen,
listen.
He said, You have exalted your
word above your name.
Now, do you know how humbling
that is?
That God has subjected himself
to an authority.
That's how I see it.
God has subjected himself to an
authority.
So if it is not in his word, and
by his word, forget it, he won't
do it.
He will not.
So God holds himself
accountable.
Such a humbling thing.
He holds himself accountable,
guys.
Who are you not to be
accountable?
Who are you not to hold or
subject yourself?
Because that's a problem a lot
of us face.
You know, you don't have an
accountability partner.
You feel you know everything,
you feel you're bigger than
everybody.
And I'm here to tell you on this
episode, even God holds himself
accountable.
So there are so many scriptures
anyway, but these three always,
each time I get to them, when
I'm angry about something and
situations are like pressing,
it's not changing, and all that,
I go and reason with him.
You know, when you're angry,
it's not the best time to make
decisions.
And when you're too happy, when
you're angry is not the best
time to Decisions and when
you're so happy, it's not the
time to even open your mouth.
I have learned this with this.
When situations come, I go and
reason with God.
I'm not negotiating with God,
I'm reasoning with God.
There are two different things.
I'm not trying to tell him I can
do it like this.
No, I'm asking how best can I do
this?
I mean, I'm out of all the
options.
I've reasoned it.
I've reasoned it just like those
of us who watch uh The Avengers,
you know, when what was his
name?
Dr.
String was telling uh Iron Man,
there's no other way.
I have done all the computations
and calculations.
There's no other way.
So, humanly speaking, you've
done everything, you know, and
you tell you sit with God.
Somebody said, Yes, you sit with
him, he's your father.
I've done everything I know.
What am I missing?
And that's where you're going to
see him come in and smile at you
and show you what you never saw.
And you were like, ah, let me
talk like a typical Nigerian.
You say, you know, and he shows.
So guys, I felt to do this on
the show today with you.
This is how I live my life.
On the strength of the
scriptures.
Yeah.
You can also do the same.
You can.
And I tell you, you will not
regret it.
All right, then.
I've learned a secret.
Learn to know when to stop.
I've learned it.
I know when it's not flowing
anymore, I stop.
Even if I want to force, no, no,
I stop.
I know it's not flowing anymore.
So I'm going to end it here.
But again, yeah, before I go,
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All right, then I must run now.
Till I come your way again.
You know how I say it.
My name is Amakri.
Amakri is away.
Bye for now.