S5 Ep. 277 Worship Is Sacrifice

SPEAKER_02: Good morning. Good afternoon. Good evening. Good everything. Wherever you are. I will always start with that. You know that I will always start with that. How are you? Yes. Part of the reason, if not all of the reasons, why we're here is because you're there. And each time I come into this space, it's exciting because I know you're listening. And uh yes, this is the space where we're coming to lean on one and other's experience to forge a positive path. I'm not alone in the studio today. I have an amazing personality. And uh I'll say one or two things about him, and I'll bring him on, and uh he'll let us into his world. I met him. Uh, how did I meet him? I was telling him, I you know, I was going through Instagram and I ran into his song. Uh, I don't know what the father is doing to me. I like it, that I like it. I love it. Oh, I guess some of you know that personality. And I just fell in love with that song. And I went on YouTube, checked him up, and all of that, and boom, that's how the conversation started. So we have him in our space today. Welcome, Jeffson. So let's get to meet you. SPEAKER_03: Who is this wonderful personality? I'm just your brother in Christ, and um, I'm someone who just desires to honor Jesus. Yeah. Um, I'm a worship leader, and um um I have a community of people um that we lead. Um, a community called a closet. The closet is a gathering of people, you know, just like we're talking behind scene the other time. Yeah, you know, um, just the way you you behave in your house before your father, before God. So we we God has helped us to create a space where you can come in, even though you're with a hundred people, you still feel like I'm with I'm one-on-one with my father. So you can be yourself before the father. So yeah, and um I believe um I strongly believe that um a revolution is coming in the worship space, and um, and God wants to do something really, really amazing. Yeah. So um that's why God has helped us to plug ourselves into that stream. And um yeah, that's a little bit about me. Um from Delta State, Nigeria. I'm a worry boy. I know. I know. Yeah, so that's that that's it. SPEAKER_02: So I have this colleague, his name is Odete Ralph. You know, so when I saw the name, I said yes, this Nawari Pekin, he's from that part of town. Good to have you on the show. So we're gonna start from that word, revolution in worship. So, guys, uh, you know how I do it on the show here. I bring personalities that I consider culture shaping individuals. Their everyday life translates into culture shaping and shifting. And Jeff Sin is one of them with his uh worship uh what I call it, community, you know, the closet it is called. You can check it out. So I want to begin from that point. How did the closet begin? SPEAKER_03: Okay, so um firstly, um I would say ministry is uh is is you communicating your experience to um to God's people, communicating your experience. Um it had to it has to start with what you for example, you can't teach Abraham faith. You can't teach David that God can bring down a Goliath, right? Um you can't teach um Hannah that the Baron can conceive. These these are their experiences, and it became their life, and to date we are still talking about those people. So it started as an experience for me. In late 2018, 2019, I stepped into a season, a very amazing season. Um after the COVID year. Yes, before COVID. Yeah. I think COVID just solidified everything for me. Yeah. So 2019 was a very vital moment for me. Um I started having encounters. I started um, there was one day I was awake almost all through the night. I was writing and I was crying. I felt the father was just pouring his heart to me. And since then it opened up a new dispensation for me where um I started hearing sounds. Yeah. So in 2020, we came out to start, um, wanted to do a live recording called The Closet. So we did a live recording. And um I remember after that meeting, I remember so strong in my spirit that you've given me what I want. I heard it, you've given me what I want. But funny enough, we didn't release any song from that recording. So what is it? What did I actually give to him? I I I really don't know. But that was a seed. That was the beginning of something great in my life. So we didn't release any of those songs. Okay. Imagine investing so much. You know, I'm life recording is expensive, investing so much, paying for space, camera, and everything. But you didn't release a song from that project. And so 2021 came. We said, okay, let's start um monthly worship meeting called the closet. So we just we started February 2021, hoping to have it in March. But guess what? March didn't happen. April didn't happen. May. The year came and went. We didn't do another edition. The Z died. I I I I knew it was later I I discovered why that happened. Those were preparatory stage, not for um starting anything. Okay. So it was just, it was not until I think July 2022, I was just in the house alone, and I felt the father wanted me to just pray a bit. So while I was praying, I I he started teaching me things about worship. And immediately after when I was done, I just sent a message to friends. I have something I want to teach you about worship. And we started um we created a WhatsApp group. I think 50-something people joined. So we started I did an online whatever um teaching. And um in that same year, um, September, I I felt the nudge to call for a physical meeting. SPEAKER_04: Right. SPEAKER_03: And we wanted to use a small space. But October, September, the day we were supposed to do it, my mentor had a um a Thanksgiving service. Um God delivered him from a ghastly motor accident, Minister Dunsen, actually. So it fixed a Thanksgiving on that day. Oh, I remember. Yes. That was that accident. Yes, it fixed a Thanksgiving on that day. Meanwhile, I've I've put out Advert out there, uh put out flyers out there that we are having a worship meeting, we're having case string. K-String was supposed to come. So we're to use that smaller space, you know. So when he put out his own um flyer, I said, no, he can't be doing this while I'm doing that. So I canceled, we canceled us. I sent a message to everyone. I said, sorry, this cannot hold. So and so um I my mentor is having something and I can't be having yeah. Yeah, so I canceled it. I never knew that was a seed. That was the beginning of something really, really, really huge. Remember, I said we wanted to use a small space. So we now moved it to October. October, God now gave us a bigger, a better space where we are not even paying anything. And I can't I can't lie to you, after the October edition, the drive has not stopped. SPEAKER_02: Yeah. SPEAKER_03: We've not missed any edition since October 2022. So it's good this year's gonna be four years that we've been we've been having a closet. By the way, Pastor Elijah gave us his church space, he gave us his facility, the staffs and everything. Wow. If I had gone ahead to use a smaller space, that would have restricted my mind, thinking this is just for just a few persons. Yeah. Meanwhile, God had a bigger plan for what we were about. So that's how um the closet started, and God has been helping us. We've um we've um heard testimonies from people. Yeah, people telling you that one of the things I love about the closet is that I came in and I fell in love with the father. Oh, that that gives me great joy. We've heard so many testimonies, healings, yeah, and uh um there's one striking testimony. There's a guy who came to the closet who was planning to go do Yahoo Yahoo Plus. SPEAKER_02: Yeah. SPEAKER_03: And you know, it involves um rituals and rest. He was planning to go do it on Monday. He came to the closet on Sunday, and that was why our God arrested him. He didn't go. Um, the devices he was using to scam people broke them, he threw them, he threw them away. So um, I've seen lives transformed. I've seen people coming to the knowledge of Jesus. Just, I just love Jesus. I just love Jesus. So that's that's it. SPEAKER_02: Now I I I mean I would love us to continue on this thought. Yeah. But I want to go back to what you said about experiencing God for yourself. You can't teach, you cannot teach God, you can't teach Abraham faith because he experienced it. Yes. Now, let's talk about worship, your experience, because that is what you're sharing with your community, you know, and all of that. Let's talk about worship. What is worship? SPEAKER_03: That's that's a very, very, very important question. And I strongly believe it's something that the world needs to, the church needs to understand um in this season, um, the word worship. Worship, okay, let's let's even go, let's move it back a little bit where it started from, where the word worship came from. Yeah. It was Genesis 22, verse 5, where Abraham said, Stay here. I and the lad, we are going up there to worship. That day, the drummer was not around. The key bodies were the keyboardies did not come. Um, who else? Uh the bassist. No, no musician came. No song was raised. But Abraham said, I'm going up there to worship. He was going to kill and he called it worship. It was more of a sacrifice. So the church must come to understand that worship is not music, worship is not song. But songs and music can become worship. Can I accompany it? So worship in itself is not music, worship is sacrifice. Worship is any act that pleases God. Yeah. Worship is any act that pleases God. You know, um, do you are you aware Abraham actually killed Isaac? Of course he did, because scripture says in his heart. Yes. In Hebrews 11, say by faith, Abraham offered Isaac. He killed Isaac because as a man thinketh, so you know, God told Abraham, he said, Take thy son, thy only son, whom thou love it. You can you see how specific that instruction came? Take thy son, one. If he had said, take thy son and sacrifice, he would have taken Ishmael. That's a fact. SPEAKER_04: Yeah. SPEAKER_03: But it said, thy only son. And I went ahead further, a step further. I said, Whom thou love it. Why? Worship is sacrificing those things that you exalt above God. And this is one reason why the church members think that the only worshipers in church are the choir members. Worship is any action that pleases the Lord. Jesus did not sing songs. But what happened? The Bible said in Matthew 3, I think Matthew 3:17, he said, This is my beloved son in whom I'm well pleased. I beseech you, brethren, that you present your body to the Lord as a holy sacrifice. A Vashion said, This is the true way to worship. He didn't say music, he didn't say songs. So there was a day we were in a meeting and the Lord said something to my heart. I don't want to be a worshiper who only worship when I raise songs. Okay. I want to be a worshiper that when I'm not singing, I'm still worshiping. That when the father sees me as an entity, he hears melody, hears harmony, he hears a very good rhythm because of my life. He said, This is my beloved son in whom I'm well pleased. Revelation 4.11. Thou art created all things for thy pleasure. So when you give the Lord pleasure, you're worshiping him. SPEAKER_02: So worship is beyond the four worlds. It's like our everyday living, expressing that which pleases the Lord in our everyday living. SPEAKER_03: Absolutely. Absolutely. Worship is not music. Worship is not song. But songs and music can become worship. Worship is an individual, it's a lifestyle. Worship is um is you offering. That's why the song by Minister Dunsen is very, very um, I have more than a song today. I brought myself. It's a living sacrifice. Receive this living sacrifice. I am your worship. SPEAKER_04: Yeah. SPEAKER_03: I am your worship. So God is more interested in the person singing than the song. SPEAKER_04: Yeah. SPEAKER_03: It's more interesting than the person singing than the song. SPEAKER_04: Okay. SPEAKER_03: The song are just uh they are just vehicles. Okay. They are just vehicles. But you see, so the church member can decide to do whatever he likes because he feels he's not a worshiper. Worship is a duty for all, for thou art created all things to give you worship. All things, the tree, the plants, the the human beings, everything to give you worship. Yeah. So we must come to that point where we understand that worship can be any action that pleases the Lord. Abraham was going to kill his son and called it worship. SPEAKER_02: Yeah. SPEAKER_03: Abraham was going to kill his son and called it worship. So what is that thing in us that needs to die? True. SPEAKER_02: So now let us look at our culture. You know, we were in a climb where I wouldn't say we're religious. I don't like using that word, but we are people of faith. And we've seen a lot of songs, worship songs, you know, come from Nigeria to the world and all that. And in my opinion, I see it as a culture-shaping event. Like we have Hallelujah Challenge, you know, by Pastor Nathaniel Basi. We have um Minister Dunsen does his uh upper room outpouring and pouring. Then we have uh what's her name? T.Y. Bello, who does her spontaneous worship and all that. And somehow, when you look at this, I would call it uh separate events that all somehow are coming together in culture shaping. I want you to speak to that for the next generation. SPEAKER_03: Okay, so I would say um people don't just act. You see, there's a revolution in this worship space. Songs are coming from Africa, from every part of the world. They are responding to prophecy. Amos prophesying, Amos 9.11, he said, in the last day, I will raise up the tabernacle of David. The tabernacle of worship. Um, Pastor Elijah told us something some time ago. He said, the revival is going to ride on the wings of worship. Yeah. And we can see it. You know, in those days, when you see a conference, you will see you might not see a single music minister. Yeah. I remember growing up, you will see preachers, different pastors from different angles. But look, check our flyers these days. They've changed. You will see sometimes a conference of three days, you see two speakers, five music ministers. You see, so something is happening. We might think is um, okay, is we are trying to get because these people they are fan base, you know, we are trying to get them so that more people can come for a meeting. No. SPEAKER_04: No. SPEAKER_03: We are responding to the words spoken by the Lord. SPEAKER_04: Yeah. SPEAKER_03: That it will restore the tabernacle of David. Yeah. So it's just, I I just think it's now high time pastors, okay, leaders, start teaching their congregation about worship. Okay. Because it is instrumental in what is about to happen. Any church that will be a glorious church in this end time must be a church of intense worship. And not just worship predicated on just songs. Worship that comes as a result of this is who I am. Action thing. Yes. So if we want to see the miraculous, if we want to see the move of God in this end time, we must understand worship because it starts from there. SPEAKER_04: Let me give an instance. SPEAKER_03: Isaiah 6. Um Isaiah said, In the year that King Uziah that I saw the Lord, high and lifted up. You know that song, I see the Lord. SPEAKER_01: I see the Lord. SPEAKER_03: He said, I saw um exalted above the worship of the people of the earth. Yes. He said, Um, I saw the Lord, high and lifted up. The train of his robe filled the temple. He said, Above his two the seraphine, with twin they fly, with twin they cover their face, with twin they cover their feet, and one cry to another. What was their what was it? What were they crying about? Holy. Holy. Holy, holy, Lord God Almighty. The whole earth is full of his glory. Worship. Yeah. Revelation 4, verse 8. He said they rest not day and night, crying, holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was and is and is to come. And the four and 20 elders, they bow. So for us to now make our services, our environment look like worship, we must try to mimic what is happening in heaven. So as it is in heaven, so it is on earth. The kingdom come. Yes. So we must replicate what is happening in heaven for us to, for us to see what is happening in heaven, we must make our environment look like heaven. I like that. So we must make our environment look like where we are going, where we are anticipating. SPEAKER_02: Now, the closet, which is the, I would say, the platform on which the I mean God is using you to express worship. What's when you look at the demography, what is it like? Who are those coming? The generations, who are those attending? SPEAKER_03: Okay, so um if I want to take um statistics, I is actually Mixed. Okay. I've seen children. There was one because sometimes you just as a leader, you're just worshiping God, you know. You really don't know what's happening. So it's it's still photos that will not tell you, oh, so this happened while we're worshipping. I've seen um younger babies, little children, I've seen them worshiping Jesus at the closet. I've seen um a child cry at the closet worshiping Jesus. I've seen um older people, I've seen um um the Gen Zs, I've seen the Millennials, I've seen the older generation at the closet. So um it's um, but definitely more of the younger people, right? But I I would say worship is not age-bound. No, it isn't. So wherever, wherever you you, whenever you catch this knowledge, you can start. So it's not really uh the younger generation, the older generation. Okay uh it's it's just um anybody can come in. I've seen people, they just come sit on the floor. We don't have chairs. We don't we don't have chairs, you just sit on the floor. And there's something I've observed about um our meetings is the fact that the environment, you know, the environment you stay under as a way of um making you behave in a certain way. It influences your behavior. Yeah, it influences your behavior. I've seen people come to the closet and they just respond to the environment. Let me give an instance. This might be a bit funny. Um we brought and um we invited Minister Teofila Sunday. So when he came, um the protocol they received him. So we're trying to create an environment where the only VIP is God. So the protocol brought him in. Me, I was already on stage worshiping Jesus, and they gave him a chair. When he came in and they gave him a chair, he just looked uh like everybody's on the floor worshiping, bowing down. Or you are giving me a chair. Is it please take away your chair? And he he plugged into what he saw. So it it takes us back to what I said earlier before you asked this question. Um, the environment matters. So when people come into that environment, they are they don't have a choice than to respond to what is happening there. Yeah, so back to what brought us here and demography. So it's actually not restricted to younger generation, anybody, anybody, at least we said we I quoted the scripture that I said it four and twenty elders. They are from elders are not young people. They're not, they're not your mate. They are worshiping God. So it's not um everybody needs to catch this knowledge, the older generation, the younger generation, yeah, and um, I just pray God gives us the revelation of what worship is about. SPEAKER_02: Now, I'm gonna ask this question concerning leadership within this space. You have been you've been here quite a while, this space, and the space I mean as a worship. And uh how do you see the leadership, what we have now? Do we need to improve on it? Do we need to like uh okay, get better at it or maintain what we are doing? SPEAKER_03: Okay, so um, you know, there was a time the Lord um prompted my heart, it it dropped something so strong in my spirit. He said, your generation wants to run without a template. Okay. And that that stayed with me and is still with me as we speak. So um a lot of the younger generation don't have a template. Okay. When I mean template, they don't have people, they model their life like a pattern. Like a pattern. You know, sometimes I would want to make a post online. I will ask myself, what would my mentor post on such in such a time like this? And looking at them, I know they will not post such. I would just let it go. Yeah. So a lot of us are just seeing the glory around these people, but we are not drawing virtues. We are seeing glory, we are just saying, oh, Pastor Nat just flew, someone used a private jet to bring Pastor Nat to Wario, or Pastor Nat is having a ministration in London today, and by God's grace, I I've been privileged to be around this people. By God's grace, by by God's grace, I've been privileged to be around these people. And I discovered that there is there's no isn't the the air s what you see on stage and how they live is it's it's it's the same. So when you when you're looking up to people or someone as this is the person I'm looking up to as a leader, and your behavior is betraying or your confession, then something is wrong. Okay. So a lot of younger generation they love the glory around these people without drawing virtues from them. The character. Yes. What what will a Pastor Elijah do? What will a Nathanaebasi do? What will a Doncen do? SPEAKER_02: So we need to we need to embrace the character, the furnace, what builds them. Yes. SPEAKER_03: What built them. Yes. We need to understand that if you're looking at these people as leaders, you don't just pick the glory. You don't just pick what you see. Oh, he is he has um one million streams in in less than 24 hours. Oh wow, that's uh our personal did a layer challenge and over one million people join. What? Let me try and go and replicate that. No, no, there's an engine room. SPEAKER_02: The idea of social media, anyway, it's to create this large communities which we call followings. But in real sense, when you follow somebody, you should be able to like glean from the person, learn from the person, see, practice. Because there's more to doing than just hearing or just seeing. Because scripture says Jesus began to do and teach. He didn't teach before doing. So it's something he has done over and over and over again. So it now became a lifestyle. So what he's telling you is not telling you something far up. It's what I do every day. Like when scripture says, and he woke up early to pray. That's a life. That's a life. If you stay with him for five years, some if anybody should ask you, you see, that guy wakes up every morning to pray. I don't know what is his problem. Doesn't he sleep? And he'll ask you, so do you pray like him? He's of course. I don't when I see what he's doing. So he began to do before. And that's the problem with social media. That's the downside of social media. When you crave followings, you know, and you don't know what it leads to. So that it creates a duality, yeah. The fake and the real. So when you see the person in real life, as it were, stay with the person, it's like, wow, it's different from what I've been seeing on social media. SPEAKER_03: Yes. And you know, you said something about talking about Jesus. Jesus says something. He said, I do what I see my father do. You just said it. SPEAKER_02: I see him because I stay with him. You know, I'm not doing this because I thought it out. No, I am copying. I'm a copy cart for your information. That's what Jesus was saying there. I'm a copy card. So what I see my father do, I have the authority to do it. So for you to see, it means there's proximity. You're close. For you to see, yes, you're seeing it. Yes, yes. You're seeing me. Yes, yes. So how well you see is dependent on how close you are. SPEAKER_03: Sight is that's it's it's um uh you can't separate sight and proximity. SPEAKER_02: No, you cannot. The farther you are from me, you can't tell my image, you can't tell. But the minute you come close, you know, so you watch everything I do. So even without saying, like opening my mouth to utter things, my actions are expressing everything. So you can peek, okay. This guy likes closing the doors when he goes out and comes in. He doesn't like his windows like this. That's speaking. So you're picking it up. So that's the challenge. I'm just speaking to what you said now about this generation, craven. There's this thing I when I work with the team, guys, we're still discussing, so I hope you're paying attention. I tell my team, I'm not crazy about trends. Like I'm not crazy about trending. SPEAKER_01: Yes. SPEAKER_02: Because trend will come and go. Yes. I'm crazy about the truth. Impact. Yes, the truth. What we are doing, is it the truth? Is it the truth? Is it true? Yeah, and let's put it out there. And I'm not crazy about following. Because I know a lot of people see what we do, even if they don't follow, they see it. How do I know? When I walk the street, people call, ah, that what's that's the word Smith, the word cafe guy. Okay, so you watch, you listen. So that's another thing, and I like that fact that you put there knowing these people for who they are, not the glory. Not the glory. Because you know the glory can lift just the way in the days of Eli, when he said he cabod, the glory has departed, and it's a very painful thing. That's the reality, but it's painful. So it means there's something you can do and cabod. Can go, can leave. I cabod. So God is more interested in the relationship than in the cabboard. SPEAKER_03: Yeah. Yes. Um I I think I wrote something some time ago, some years ago. So I used to write um, I used to write quotes, I just hear them, I write. Um I've never seen a man with depth that is void of height. True. True. Very true. Maybe I should say it again. I've never seen a man with depth that is void of height. Well, you've seen you can see men with height without depth. And they don't last. Yes, because when the wind comes, it takes it takes you off your off of off your feet. Yeah. So it's it's very important we um I think it's a Chinese bamboo tree. I I'm sure you know that. I know that. Yes. So it is very important we understand that um uh the hype will fade. It will. The hype will fade. Um Jesus said, let your light so shine before men, that they see your good works, and glorify your father who is in heaven. Let your light so shine before men, that they see your good works, and there's a projection, it goes up to the Father. So we must understand uh seasons come and go. True. There's a there's just a constant, and the constant is God. So when when you understand uh somebody can be up today and tomorrow we don't hear about him anymore. Yeah. But what did the Bible say about us? It said the path spora for it's the path of the just. Like a shining light. That shines brighter and brighter. So the older you get, the the brighter you should become. So you you you now understand that man, I'm not better than those that are that that were shining before. And the like I was telling some of my friends, I said there are some people I used to know in those days, but I don't hear about them again. That thing uh um it gives it it gives me some um some chill feeling, like you can you if you are not careful, you can just disappear. It humbles. Yes, it humbles me, brings me to that. There are some in those days, once there's a worship beating, you know the names that they will call. SPEAKER_04: Yeah. SPEAKER_03: Do you get? I do. So we must understand that when we don't stay with the constant, we will go into extinction. True. And what's the constant? God. Absolutely. The path of the just is like a shining light that shineth brighter and brighter. Have you observed that our fathers in faith, the older they become, the more influential they become? Mm-hmm. Yes, their weight becomes heavier. Yeah. Do you know people are waiting for some of them to speak on matters? People are waiting for them to speak on some matters. Okay, what would Pastadeboy say about this matter now? Yeah. What will social and so persons say about this matter? True. People are waiting for them to just say a word. Bloggers are waiting. Unbelievers are waiting. Christians are waiting. People are just waiting for them to just say a word. So we must understand that as a human being, as a human being, you can depreciate. So the only thing that can keep you relevant is that spotlight from heaven. God saying, This is my beloved son. When Jesus was with the disciple alone, when that same voice came, he said, This is my beloved son. Yeah. Listen to him. So when that heavenly approval is on you, year him, there is no decline. That do mark by till he passed on, his name carries weight. Even in his death, his name carries weight. Yeah. Absolutely. So we we must we must really understand that. We must really understand that this thing we are chasing trend. Trend is good for a season. Trend is good for a season. You can attest to the fact that there are songs that we s that um that are still relevant after decades. Yeah. We are still singing those songs. Yeah. We are still singing those songs. SPEAKER_01: There is none holy as the Lord. SPEAKER_03: We are still singing those songs. SPEAKER_02: Yes, we are. Amazing. All right, guys. We've been discussing with Jeff Sinner Deity. And uh the subject matter is one that I would say transcends time. We we can dwell on it and you know, on and on. But every generation desires it, every generation should partake of it, worship, you know, and it is our act of service. You know, scripture says, Thou shalt worship the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your strength, with all your might. And the truth is, when that is done, the I mean the response is left to our imagination. I'm going to, before I let him go, I will just allow him to speak to that individual out there who maybe is having that struggle within this space. Say a word of encouragement to that individual. All right. SPEAKER_03: Um firstly, um, I'm honored to be here. Um I want you to understand something. Um, you know, a lot of people think David is a man after God's heart because of music. No. No. And that has been a very big confusion. You say, ah, David's a worshiper. That's why is he is he loves music, that's why. No. God does not love music more than he loves us. He does not love music more than he loves us. So if you are in a space right now where you feel you're you're wasting away, um where you think um it's not making sense, firstly, ask yourself, did God bring me here? Did God ask me to do this? Umce is his will, it becomes his bill. Um you you might feel forsaken, you might feel listen, listen, listen. The path to destiny fulfillment is a lonely path. It's a very lonely path. And um it will test it will test you, it will test your conviction. It will. The path, if you don't remember anything, remember this. The path to destiny fulfillment is a lonely path. You tread it on your own with the help of God. Because none of us has actually passed through life before. None of us. None of us. So I I want you to understand that if God has brought you this far, stay with him. Stay with him, stay with him. And um a lot of us wants to emerge without having track record of service. I wish I had time to say that to talk about that, but um get a space, plug yourself into service. In the process of serving others, you find yourself as well. It's very important. It's very important. A lot of us just want to emerge. We don't have track record of service, we just want to do things anyhow, just okay. Uh, God called me. Yes, I know God called you. Get a place, serve, join a community, serve. While you wait, serve. Keep serving, keep waiting, keep serving, keep waiting. You'll be amazed at the end of the day because what I've realized about this journey is that service gives speed. Service gives speed. I'm telling you, a lot of people that are doing exploit today in the media department, in every part of the world today, check. A lot of them started from the media department in church. Go and check. A lot of them. Oh, carry the camera, come and do this, come and do this. Service helps you, it gives you clarity. It makes you understand this is what I ought to do. And stay with the Lord. Don't follow trend. Um, trend with fade. Trend with fade. Get a mentor, get someone, stay around um a godly community. Uh I observed something when I went to um Lawrence Oyo's wedding. Um, I was part of Isagbada Men years ago. So we were in a room, Apostle Rockbo was there, Pastor Fermi Lazarus was there, um Pastor Samuel Lamore was there, I think Apostle Kenny, at least the prayer department for Koinonia, was there. SPEAKER_02: Okay. SPEAKER_03: Uh Lawrence Oyle was also there. I think it was Apostle Rookbo that said, Let us pray. Or no, I think it was Pastor Fermi Lazarus that said, Let's pray. Then um they were not as popular as so but they had that needed community. And they say, let us pray. Immediately they say, Let us pray. I could feel the whole room became charged. And I came with a principle. The quickest way to keep your fire burning is to stay close to fire. So get close to people who are going to going your route, going to where you're going, and ignite passion together. And I tell you, the sky is not even your limit. So just just just stay focused. Just stay focused on the path in which God has called you to tread. It might not be popular, it might not make sense. God might ask you to start singing slow song, fast song, or whatever. Just do what the father wants you to do. That's all for me. Thank you. SPEAKER_02: The sky ain't your limit if you're walking with God, guys. You know, it's not your limit. It is actually your beginning. We've been talking with Jeffson Odete. He's the convener of the closet. I encourage you, go look for the closet uh on Instagram. His handle is Jeffson Odiety. If you follow him, you will see the closet. You know, just like he's talked about it. You know, I encourage you wherever you are in the city of Abuja, make even if you can create that time to join in that worship. Follow, I wouldn't say follow the bandwagon, but go under such atmosphere. You're going to get that passion. You'll be ignited. That's the word. You'll be ignited and you see things happen. I'm really, really grateful having him here today. What we've done on the show today is more of a solemn exchange. I wanted you to experience him and at the same time hear from him also. You know, he's he's an amazing personality. But you know how we say it on the show. This is the space where we come in to lean on one another's experience to forge a positive path. I always bring such conversations because I think and I know you need them for your future. All right, guys, before I let you go, yes, we are available on all the social media platforms: Instagram, uh, LinkedIn, uh, X, which other one? TikTok. We have a YouTube channel. You know that. Are you following? Please do. And uh hit that notification button so that whenever conversations like this drop, you'll be first to know. You know how we say it on the show till I come your way again. My name is Amakri. Amakri is away. Bye for now, Jeffson. unknown: Bye.