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SPEAKER_00: Good morning.
Good afternoon.
Good evening.
Good everything.
Good everything.
How are you all doing?
So we're back in the space.
I have something amazing for you
today.
But before I bring my guest on,
I have to ask that question.
How are you?
I'm good.
I'm fine.
Great.
I have this amazing personality
on set with me today.
I met her, I will call it
through a divine arrangement.
Sometime in 2023, I stumbled
upon her praying platform on
Instagram and I joined in.
And if you remember, after then,
we did one production called The
Angel of the Global Economy.
Well, she's an amazing person.
Great within the space, the
Christian faith here in Nigeria
and beyond globally.
Her name is Apostle Obi Pax
Harry.
I won't say so much.
I will bring her on.
Then we'll begin the topic, the
discussion for today.
The angel of the global economy.
Apostle, you're welcome.
SPEAKER_04: Wonderful.
Do you know what I said?
I said from 2026 that I will I
wish to be addressed as I will
be by Xared, the Apostle.
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
SPEAKER_04: You know what?
Because this is a year for
apostles, the function.
And a lot of people think that
apostle uh is a title.
And once you think title, then
you're gonna think worship.
When you think function, then
you're gonna think work.
So apostles are actually
workmen.
So are um prophets, so are
teachers, so are evangelists and
pastors.
And one of the things um we're
gonna have to begin to correct
is this.
Because we're talking about
wealth, you know, wealth of the
mind, wealth of knowledge.
So I decided, because I can be
quite radical, that this year,
because I hear people come up,
my name is Apostle, that's not
your name, please.
Last we heard it wasn't your
registered.
SPEAKER_00: That's more of a
function.
SPEAKER_04: Exactly.
It wasn't your registered birth
name, right?
SPEAKER_00: Right.
SPEAKER_04: So now your name is
Apostle A Max.
And then when we ask you to do
the apostolic function, we don't
know.
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, I just
wanted to put that out.
Welcome, welcome.
I I would like my audience to
meet you.
A little bit of introduction.
Who is Obi Pax Harry the
Apostle?
SPEAKER_04: Right.
I I love that.
So Obi-Paks Harry the Apostle is
let me say from family.
Start from family.
Yeah.
So Obi Pax Harry, the I'm I'm a
wife, proud wife, I'm a mother,
I'm a grandmother.
Oh, and I'm a spiritual parent.
You know, um, we say spiritual
mother, but I want to say
spiritual parent, spiritual
figure, because um in our
maturity, maturing process in
Christ.
So when we say spiritual mother,
people even immediately think
gender, and now we're not
thinking the function again.
So um the reason according to
scripture, there's not a way
that a female apostle should
work, a male apostle, it's
Christ in us the apostle.
So I want to just put that out
there.
So I'm first a wife, mother, um,
grandmother, um you know, family
person.
I come from a large family, you
know.
Um, my dad was a great
educationist.
So I come from an education
background.
Okay.
My mom was an entrepreneur, so I
come from that background as
well.
I went to school.
Um, I I grew up in Enugu.
My family, that's my route,
Enugu.
I come from Awari, Emo State.
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
SPEAKER_04: Um, Enugu was like
one family when I was growing
up.
Then I went to school in Bini,
Nidia College.
Okay.
Probably one of the first uh
kids from the East that was sent
to uh Midwest, it was then.
And I thank God for that.
So when I got to school, within
two weeks I got born again.
Because my school was just the
school gate, it was just um
right opposite where the late
Archbishop uh Bensonita Hosa was
setting up his church.
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
SPEAKER_04: Church of God
mission.
So this was a Yarrow motor pack.
So, and we had these um six
formers, uh, about three of
them, maybe four.
I mean, you literally put down
your suitcase.
These, I thought they were
women.
Now I know that they were just
16-year-olds.
SPEAKER_01: Whoa.
SPEAKER_04: They got hold of
you, you know, they took you to
church, they took you across the
road, you know.
And you're born again.
We were just giving our lives to
Christ, a Church of God mission,
this place that um wasn't even
much bigger than your space
where the late Archbishop
started.
So I think it was God's um plan
and desire that I should um be
sent to the to Midwest uh state.
I was sent to the uh governor
then.
There was they were starting a
school for girls, and um I was
quite sickly.
I was I always had malaria in
hospital and all of that.
And um I had my story is crazy.
So um in the Biafra, just after
the war, family driving back to
uh Anugu, where the car was
going so fast, it was you know,
as a tomboy, so I was with my
brothers on this truck, and this
thing was doing the driver was
doing like 160 mph an hour.
I was just flying, and then the
Nigerian army was shooting at
us, so bullets were just going
past.
I was so scared, I jumped off
that truck, right?
SPEAKER_00: You don't see.
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and my
brothers thought I died.
So I ran through a farm and I
got to where we'd been because
you know, uh the war.
I don't like to talk about bear.
I get emotional, I want to cry
because we really went through a
lot.
SPEAKER_03: People went through
a lot.
Can you imagine?
SPEAKER_04: You know, so I ran
through this farm, and just as I
got to the other side, here my
parents leave in.
They were leaving for Inugurai.
So I could have missed that
ride, but God kept them.
I ran through.
Can you imagine how old was I?
So jumped off, ran through.
But you know what?
As Christians, it's interesting
that we know this.
So the farm I ran through was
loaded with, you know, um, I
don't know what to call it now.
Shall I say juju or shall I say
what?
It was there was so much, you
know, evil in this thing, maybe
planted on the ground or
whatever.
So by the time we got to Enugu,
I developed this, you know, like
uh flesh-eating thing.
So my flesh was like rotten, my
legs.
So I'll be taken to the
university teaching hospital.
When they take out the bandage,
you know, people are like, you
could smell the so I had that,
you know, and then malaria,
malaria.
So when others were taking exams
to go to school in the east, I
wasn't well enough to.
And when I was uh well enough to
to go to school, uh this school
in Benin was starting.
And amazing how it started.
It had an entry in January and
entry in September.
So I was able to make so
basically um I I this is just
the foundation, you know, uh of
faith for me, family.
Yeah, and um yeah, so that's
basically who I am married to a
river uh man from River State.
Okay, Buguma precisely.
SPEAKER_01: That's my brother.
SPEAKER_04: I'm a Nigerian.
Yes, actually, our yes, we are
just opposite right now.
So I'm a Nigerian.
So I come from um Iboland,
married to the river, grew up in
uh Midwest, and then went on to
boarding school in England at
the time where we didn't know
tribes, so we're just Nigerian
kids.
SPEAKER_00: Nigerian kids, yeah.
SPEAKER_04: And uh really had a
happy uh teenage um yeah, came
back to Nigeria to Nigerian law
school, two years, you know,
that was when I met my husband,
so got married and then went
back to England as a married
person, and you know, continue
to pursue faith.
So I was, you know, born again
quite quite early, like I said,
Church of God mission.
And um, yeah, I don't know.
Maybe in the process, if there's
anything else to tell, yeah, but
this is basically, you know, uh
who I am and how you know, so I
had that early phase of uh uh
being a fervent Christian, and
then I had my second phase,
which is the law school area.
So as a kid, um teenager in
London, we just had so much fun,
you know, and uh fun in those
days was healthy fun.
Yeah, so I wasn't always this,
you know, spiritual, whatever,
whatever person.
I think I I may have been on the
crazy side.
I think my friends, if they're
sitting there, they'll say,
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Anyway, so um we really had fun
in London, you know, and I came
back in 1988.
I had another encounter with
God.
Oh, and that encounter was
really back to the times of Noah
when you know the floods took
over.
So it was just such a
frightening encounter, and I
rededicated my life.
I was part of you know what you
would call deeper life because
the man who set up the church
was assistant to Papa Kumuyi.
Yeah, so he'd come to Podaka's
setup.
I'm a traditional Christian,
really.
Originally, I don't look at
yeah.
So I was part of um um uh uh
that uh pastor uh what's his
name?
Akin something.
I I remember.
So I was part of the deeper life
movement, and then what they
called, you know, Podakot was
the Bible hub of Nigeria at that
time.
Oh my god.
Also JD Numbere, and we were
part of Daniel International, uh
Bishop bunting them, and it was
I mean, this is this uh this
this is these people were like,
you know, so we're part of full
gospel, you know, the full
gospel was really Portal Court
was just really so I had that
phase and then went back to
England.
That was where I had an
encounter.
So call to ministry was the Lord
appearing to me.
You know, so that's basically my
um background in a brief.
SPEAKER_00: You you you have a
rich background here, culturally
speaking, spiritually speaking,
and you you you you're coming
from a place of uh what I would
describe originality.
SPEAKER_04: I forgot to tell you
one thing, right?
Go on.
So about 1819, you know, um I
was part of a prayer group that
became the first redeemed in
Europe.
So I heard um Daddy Jo say this
on God TV many years ago.
This was in 1882, and that
prayer group was centered around
a Nigerian young man who had a
right cancer of the jaw.
And, you know, uh his family's
quite well known.
And he was then taken back to
Nigeria.
Maybe it was the first Holy
Ghost night, I don't know.
But, you know, I mean, Daddy Jew
prayed, and that thing split,
you know, open.
And the the sister told me this
story herself, and you know, and
and uh drained uh purse for like
seven days.
And when he was brought back to
London, because it was stage
four, it was given to death, and
it it was really the aunties.
I was the youngest person, and
this lady that didn't know me
would come and pick me up every
Tuesday.
Huge university.
She didn't know who I was, and I
just used to feel like maybe
they saw me in Golliver's the
nightclub that we used to go to
as teenagers and picking.
Did anybody tell them I was at
Golliver's?
I didn't do anything bad.
Why does she, you know, every
Tuesday religiously, she'd come
and take me to this uh prayer
meeting.
And then we had this tall man
come and he said he was a
mathematician in Unilag and he
was the geo and all of this
stuff.
So I'm you know, I'm uh Anglican
family.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00: And this was uh
Daddy Adibo.
SPEAKER_04: Yes.
So I wasn't really used to the
Pentecostal thing.
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
SPEAKER_04: Not only is my
family Anglican, I come from the
village where the Bible was
translated to Igbo.
Ibo.
So, you know, missionaries
there.
And then I come from a family
where after church the bishop
will come visit us, and that
used to upset me.
Why is the bishop visiting us?
We've just been in church.
Is that not good enough?
Is that not enough powers?
Why is the bishop coming home?
So you can see, you know, so I
come from a very Christian uh
background that the bishop will
come after church.
Oh my God, you know, so I wasn't
used to that.
So the he came, the stall man,
and they said, um, if we're all
to go to Nigeria, there was
something called Holy Ghost
Night and all this stuff.
I didn't go.
But that's where that guy got
hailed.
So I wanted to bring this up
because I've been part of
several revival foundations, I
realized.
So there was the late Archbishop
Bensonito Rosa, then there was
the prayer group that became
redeemed, and then I got married
and we moved to Soly Hall.
And I was part of a renewal
Christian center was called
where a revival broke out, the
healing revival cancers.
I led the prayer group.
I prayed for a year, and this
revival broke out.
Now, so I I think that's that's
pretty much um my background.
I've been I've been part of
revival foundations.
Um really, I was told that uh at
age six I would, you know, uh be
part of teaching in the cat um
in the cathedral uh in Owari.
So yeah, that's I think I've
been uh I I I just have had this
love for the Lord Amax.
SPEAKER_00: I I think you have
this rich, like I said uh
earlier, rich heritage, rich
background.
You've encountered so many
generations and uh you are what
I will call a capsule.
You have a lot encapsulated on
the inside.
Now I would like us to look at
the angel of the global economy.
You know, when you called and I
said to myself, why not?
Let's talk about it.
I went back to listen to the
production, what we did.
Uh so guys, like I said a while
ago, I encountered uh Obi Pax
Harry, the apostle, in 2023,
almost three years now, and one
thing led to the other, and I
stumbled upon that message he
was talking about, the angel of
the global economy.
I spent my time going through
it, and we had this production,
and that's why she's here.
You know, a lot of us seem not
to understand the wealth
transfer principle that the
scripture talked about.
But that message, that
encounter, you spoke so much
about it.
I want us to begin from there.
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I think it's
very, very important that um we
understand that there's a
difference between um religion
and spirituality.
And um let me preface what I'm
gonna be sharing with uh an
experience I had in year 2020.
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
SPEAKER_04: The Lord said to me,
He says, I'm gonna shake
seminaries, I will shake Bible
schools, I will shake these
places, and I will shake
doctrines.
It seemed like God was saying,
I'm gonna, I'm gonna take the
lead off so much, and um, that
has been capped.
And the Lord says doctrines that
have held down whole continents.
And I think I saw Africa
highlighted there.
Uh, and so many of us, you know,
um, we read the Bible and um we
read about encounters of angels
had by people like Abraham, like
people like Daniel, um even in
the New Testament, um, Mary and
all, and then we think this is
this is Disney or something, you
know?
And um, and we've been taught by
theologians, everybody has their
opinion, but the Lord said to me
in 20 years, 2020, since I'm
older than theology.
I am older than theology.
So we're gonna understand, you
know, that our spiritual
experiences, right, must have,
you know, uh anchor root in
scripture, but it can be beyond
what anybody ever experienced.
You see what I'm saying?
True.
So the things that Daniel
experienced, angelic, you know,
encounters, visitations, and all
of that, you know, uh maybe in
his time it it was beyond, it
was futuristic.
Okay.
So I'm used to angels.
I'm used to angelic encounters.
In fact, wasn't it in year 2002,
maybe three, I did a tour to
Israel, and during that time we
uh lost one of our delegates and
at the prayer uh praying war,
and as we were looking for her,
this man appeared and said, Look
over there, right?
And there she was.
And we turned to say thank you,
he'd vanished.
So why am I saying this?
I'm saying this to um get us all
to understand that uh the work
of angels, right, still, you
know, with us, and we have to
understand that no matter what
you know anyone says, root it in
scripture and understand that
God says he's gonna give you
experiences that may, you know,
shock the you know, the even
theologians.
All right.
So the ministry of angels, I
encountered this angel, right?
Like I shared at that time.
Swift is the one in Lagos.
So this is the this one, he just
said, I am the angel.
The global economy over the
global economy.
So he sat at the gate, even the
way he was dressed.
Very, very it's all on YouTube.
So, people viewers, you can go
watch this on YouTube.
Yeah, but I want to just read
out because I don't want to miss
anything that angels exist to
serve God in five ways.
So we we have to understand.
Because we are in a decade, a
really powerful decade.
Yet 2020 to 2030 is given to the
saints to possess the kingdom.
There are some things that if
you miss in this 10-year period,
you're not going to be able to
recover because we would be
going into a future where there
will be greater trouble.
See what I'm saying?
So the essence of what you're
going through, what God wants to
do, right, is to, you know, put
us in positions where, you know,
a lot of people say, oh, yeah,
the Bible says, Job says when
they say casting, that you say
there's a lifting.
But the the practical that that
scripture in present truth means
you have overcome so much that
you're strong enough to deal
with the troubles of the time
because there will be troubles.
And Jesus said in Matthew 24,
there will be troubles, but in
verse 6 it says, see that you're
not troubled.
All right.
So angels exist to serve God.
And if they're serving God,
they're serving us on the earth.
Okay.
The Bible tells us here that
they're there to bless the Lord,
right?
So they bless the Lord in
worship.
And the the work of these angels
that I'm talking about is
captured in Psalm 103 and Psalm
104.
So, number one, remember, to
serve the Lord, to bless the
Lord in worship.
So they're there to bless the
Lord.
They're there to do his word,
all right?
So they're there to do his word
as you speak.
They're there to do, they're
there to minister on God's
behalf, they're there to do
God's pleasure, the Bible says,
and they're there to heed the
voice of God's word.
So Deuteronomy 8.18 is a law.
The Lord said to me, and I
people don't even know that God
speaks this way.
He says, it's illegal to be
broke.
It's illegal to be broke.
Because Deuteronomy 8.18 is a
law.
All right.
It's a law.
So when you break it, when you
allow yourself to be broke, when
you give excuses, you know, to
be broke, you're breaking a law
as new creation.
Right?
It's a it's a it's an it's an
old testament promise, but it's
one that you know you take
through Jesus.
Yeah.
So not all scriptures, you know,
but it's one that you pull
through Jesus.
And when you pull it through
Jesus, it's a heightened
promise, yeah, right?
Right.
That he gives us the power to
get wealth.
Now, scripture is given to us,
right?
Not just to navigate
circumstances of our times, but
to come into governance, to come
into administration, to come
into our stewardship, right?
Right per time, scripture brings
a meaning, a max that helps you
manage the time.
So think about it.
If we are in a decade given to
the saints to possess the
kingdom, according to Daniel 7,
22, right?
And if Revelation 11, 15 works
with this, so let's do the math.
The kingdoms of this world.
So we're talking about
philosophies, ideologies, we're
talking about narratives, we're
talking about every tool that
the world system.
I mean, you look at Forbes list,
how many born-again Christians
are on there?
Right.
So we're talking about these
things, right?
SPEAKER_02: Right.
SPEAKER_04: That he says they
have become, not they will
become.
So the kingdoms of this world
have become.
So anything that is a kingdom is
uh an ideology, a philosophy
that has enough weight that is
about it's able, right, to
create paradigms that sh that
change, you know, literally even
captivate people, shift
mindsets, get people to doubt
whether God is or not.
You know, but it says that, you
know, these things have been
given to us, the kingdoms of
this world, you know, have
become the kingdoms of the Lord
and his Christ, and he shall
reign forever and ever.
So this is an announcement of
the cross.
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
SPEAKER_04: That Jesus has come,
he died when he said it is
finished.
It just means that whenever you
and I locate a truth, biblical
truth, and we pull it down and
it becomes doctrine.
So we're able to release people.
Wealth mandate is the mandate of
this decade, is the mandate of
this decade.
Yeah, 2026 is so important.
So a lot of um Christians talk
about wealth transfer, and why
we're not seeing this become
realities that they they're not
thinking about it.
How is that gonna happen?
Wealth transfer.
Well, I want to just bring
somebody some you know news that
no one is gonna, God is not
going to take wealth that has
been labeled for by a man,
somebody you perceive evil,
right?
You perceive not a Christian or
in church.
So suddenly God is gonna take
their money and give to you.
Then that means God's a robber.
God is not a robber, he's not a
thief, yeah.
No, and it's not his will that
any should perish.
Yeah, right?
Right.
So again, another thing is that
we don't understand how much God
loves the unbeliever.
So we think that, you know, God
created Adam.
God didn't create a born-again
uh Christian, he created man.
You see what I'm saying?
Yeah, and it is God's will that
that man should not perish.
The kingdoms of this world have
become, if the kingdoms of what
have become, Emacs is just for
you and I to go take possession.
True.
So um this angel sat at the
gate, sat majestically, on a
keg, casually, and the gate
didn't have any walls.
So every time I seen these
angels at gates, there's no
walls, right?
And the angel, like I said, uh
is mighty.
He sat there and he introduced
himself.
He said, I'm the angel over the
global economy, and he began to,
because angels serve us, we
don't serve them.
Yeah, was very ancient.
And he says, I am responsible to
man this gate.
Right?
SPEAKER_02: Right.
SPEAKER_04: I have met one that
is the angel of a
transformation.
I met Swift that was released in
Lagos, 2023, and come to work
with a generation of people so
that things happen very fast.
Very fast.
Okay, right.
Right.
And uh, and this this angel
began to give detailed accounts
of 10 years.
Because, you know, God's
calendar works in 10-year
cycles, it peaks.
At the end of 10 years, there's
there must be a shift.
And now here we are, uh 2026.
So it becomes an emergency that
we enlighten the body of Christ.
Uh, and and just as I said, it's
God's will.
God says it's illegal to be
broke.
Why is it illegal to be broke?
Because He gives us the power to
get wealth.
And what does that mean to you
and I in this era?
It means that God gives us a
cognition, right?
The the cognition that we are
being exposed to every um form
and channel for learning.
So there is no excuse, you see,
not to gain knowledge, right?
Daniel prophesied about a time
like this.
Yeah, he said that knowledge
will increase.
People will run to and fro,
Daniel, in chapter 12 and verse
4.
So people think that God's just
gonna get somebody's money and
give to them.
Oh, God will do it.
Well, he's already done it.
You are expected to go get it.
Oh, you know, all these
different uh confessions.
Remember, I said, God said, I'm
gonna shake seminaries, I'm
going to shake Bible schools.
And uh to my Western world
brothers and sisters, right?
So, you know, we've been brought
theology, women doctrines have
held down Africa, all right?
And and this is an era, this is
a time, and this is an important
year that Africa be, you know,
loose, right?
Africans come out of these, you
know, uh doctrines that have
held them down.
So you think that before you get
money, you have to fast a
hundred year days, you have to
perform this act and perform
that act.
But such rituals, it doesn't
even, it's not gonna work
because you know the heavens is
operated by law.
SPEAKER_01: By laws.
SPEAKER_04: By laws.
You see what I'm saying?
The principles that are eternal,
yeah, they're never gonna
change.
All right.
So this angel began to give four
categories of people that he can
open the gates.
And remember, I gave five ways
that you know angels are to
serve the Lord, and Psalm 103
and 104 uh captures the mistake
people make, guys, is we think
that the Bible is this holy book
that we just put away, and oh my
God, if we put our mugs on it,
oh, we're gonna go to hell and
all these different things.
But the Bible is a great book
that has principles that is
keeping the world, whether it be
sociology, whether it be
archaeology, whether it be
philosophy, whether it be you
know economy, whether it be even
architecture, yeah, whatever it
is, I've come to know,
understand, AMAX, that I mean,
physics, I mean, Genesis chapter
one, come on.
Yeah.
The law of velocity, the law of
light, the law of I mean, so
many laws by which God created.
SPEAKER_00: You know, just to
corroborate what you said, not
to uh stop your thoughts.
Uh you stop my thoughts and
bring it.
Peterson, uh Jordan Peterson.
He's this famous uh, I think
he's uh psychologist, you know,
in Canada.
He's faced a lot of uh what do
you call now criticism for his
work and a theist who
encountered God and the way he
he talks about God is amazing.
So he was tracing the origin of
the English language, the
culture, the ways, the doings,
and everything.
You cannot disconnect it from
the scriptures, and he proved
it.
SPEAKER_04: I'm not surprised.
SPEAKER_00: He did.
Jordan P.
Peterson is well known in that
space, you know, one of those
who fought against the me
movement ideology of uh him
versus him, her, and all of
that, you know.
So just to corroborate what
you're saying, the world cannot
operate without the word of God.
SPEAKER_04: It's not possible.
It's not possible.
And for us, uh, let me throw
this in very quickly so that you
know, we're trying to have a
really relaxed conversation
here, but yet it's very serious
because we want people to
understand what this year is
given for.
A lot of people went through
stretching uh in 2025, and the
stretching is for a thrusting,
just like stretching for
thrusting.
Just like David and Goliath,
right?
So when David pulled that
catapult back.
SPEAKER_00: The sling.
SPEAKER_04: That's a the sling,
that's a that's a a stretch.
Stretch.
So that that's just stretch,
leaning into God, my God.
By the end of 2025, I thought I
was the only one, but everywhere
I've been, everybody went
through the same thing,
stretching.
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
SPEAKER_04: So now here we are,
right?
And we're in the year of
thrusting.
So you better expect yourself to
be thrust out and you're gonna
hit the mark.
And when you throw out as well,
you're gonna take out the
giants.
Okay?
So one of the giants, you know,
uh that we're gonna take out is
this poverty thing.
Yeah.
Is this often spirit thing?
Is this, you know, uh slave
mindset, right?
If scripture be true, he has
given you the power to get
wealth.
We're not talking about money
now.
There are a lot of narcissists
in church, there are a lot of
sad people who get very upset
when you talk about money.
I have come to understand, you
see, 2026, oh my God, is a year
of greatness.
It's a year, you know, to begin
to come into the kingly, kingly
appointment of you and I as new
creation.
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
SPEAKER_04: It's about the
kingly dimension.
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
SPEAKER_04: And um, the thing
about God, I've been saying that
God doesn't generalize, okay?
So there's always the pioneers
who are gonna go first.
There's people that are coming
after them.
There's people, so that's why
God doesn't have a scale that
measures.
It's not a it's not a this
versus that, it's not who's
better.
It's just that there are people
that are are going to have to,
right?
You know, because in their
nature, they were created to be
pioneers.
There are people that are gonna
have to break through, there are
people that are gonna have to be
like perez, they're just going
to have to, you know, you know,
defy the odds and come out and
begin to speak.
And so there's a lot of people
that are gonna be talking about
wealth.
So that's not money, right?
We're talking about, you know,
this angel gave four categories.
And it's all people, you know,
who are going, it's all about
the kingdom.
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
SPEAKER_04: So I found out, I
mean, the amount of money I've
had to spend in a month taking
people out to lunch and to
dinner and all of this stuff.
So now I know that honestly,
this is about that's what money
is given for, right?
Right.
Because if you're a king, right,
you're gonna have to entertain
people.
Yes.
Look at how, you know, Ahaziras.
I mean, the the coming down of
Vash and the bringing up of
Esther.
We talk about Esther.
This thing came, you know, with
several days of feasting and
preparation and all.
You see what I'm saying?
It didn't, you know, the the
throws didn't come down in the
time of mourning.
You know, the exchange didn't
happen in the time of mourning.
It happened in the time of
feasting.
Think about it.
Think about how much money.
Ah, Cirrus.
He was he was lavish, right?
The the the number of days and
times and everything.
So this angel says, Well, you
know, that I'm the angel
overgoing.
So I open to anyone who knows
and understands God's will for
the economy of nations and
peoples.
So he says, I'm gonna open to
anyone who understands the
redemptive gift of their nation.
Think about it.
I'd like you to come in there.
So, what's your nation?
What do you what has God blessed
your nation with?
What is the redemptive gift?
What are the redemptive gifts of
your nation?
What defines your nation?
What are the resources that are
placed in your nation to build
that nation?
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, okay.
SPEAKER_04: So as a as a as a as
a born-again Christian, ecclesia
now, all right.
So you have a mandate.
Yeah, go therefore, go disciple
the nations.
So a disciple is an imitator of
the master.
So if your master is rich, if a
cattle on a thousand hills
belong to your master, the gold
and the silver, if your master
has the power to transfer to
you, transferable power to get
wealth, if all power belongs to
your father, right?
SPEAKER_00: Right.
SPEAKER_04: If all riches and
glory belong to your father,
right, and you are a son of the
father, you have an inheritance.
I don't think you're your your
your honestly, you know,
according to scripture, none of
us is disinherited or
disqualified.
So why do we think we should
inherit poverty?
I just want to know.
So I have this passion.
I've gone back to Genesis 1.
I was writing a book.
I said, when I'm maybe a little
bit like what's going on here, I
go to Genesis chapter 1.
That's where I go to ask God,
what was your intention in
creation?
Yeah.
All right.
So this angel says, anyone,
because Jesus said, watch and
pray lest you fall into
temptation, right?
He didn't say pray and watch.
And watch in the Hebrew concept
is perceive, observe, not with
the eyes, but the eyes of your
intelligence, the eyes of your
mind, going in the mind of
Christ.
So we are mandated to be
intelligent.
We're mandated to understand
stuff, please.
We're mandated to do research.
We're mandated to speak uh
data-driven, you know, have
data-driven conversations.
We're mandated to be thought
leaders.
It's not, it's not supposed to
be a surprise to us, right?
I'm described as a thought
leader, but yeah, I am.
I should be, right?
Why shouldn't I be?
Because, you know, you're called
to operate from the place of
eyes have not seen, ears have
not heard, nor has the heart of
man comprehended.
So everyone that history's
captured never operated from
here, this side, okay?
They operated from the future.
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
Oh, everybody, Elon Musk.
So if I'm speaking into this
microphone, right?
If if if the next thing that I'm
going to invent is a microphone,
I haven't pioneered anything.
It's still a microphone.
It's been done, it's familiar.
Yeah.
But I must be able to go beyond
this.
And then I fulfilled the 1
Corinthians chapter 2, you know,
verses 7 to 8 dimension of.
So this angel says, I will open
to anyone who's prepared to come
ask.
Right?
So, for instance, if you think
about think about Nigeria,
right?
So Nigeria is blessed with oil,
gas, for instance, but it's
blessed with rich soil for
agriculture.
And so many other things, right?
So this angel is saying, if you
want to pioneer a move, school,
why you know, schools where kids
from kindergarten begin to get
educated in what God's given
them.
Right?
Right.
So if that's right thinking,
right thinking.
Right.
And begins to uh build
businesses, right?
That preserve their inheritance.
Why don't we have every state
school of petroleum, school of
gas, school of mineral resources
and all of that?
Why do you have to have people
from China come come tell you
what you have and then steal
what you have from you?
Or come from Italy, take your
leather from Cano, go fit go
process it, come back, and then
you buy it.
So Africa, Ghana.
So they take your cocoa, they
take it there, they make
chocolate, right?
Right.
So I used to attend IMF and you
know, World Bank, you know, uh
summits in DC.
And I remember the last one I
attended.
Uh, you know, so all these
people, like the Africans, they
were saying, oh, this guy was
calling me.
Come, come.
Over here, say what's happening
there.
He said, That's where the CSOs
are.
I said, No, I didn't come here
for CSOs.
I'm gonna be here where they're
discussing the wealth of the
world.
So that's where value chains are
being discussed.
And I'm looking at all these
Africans, I'm thinking, how can
someone come from Switzerland,
Amax, to tell you how to take
your cassava from the villages
to the city to sell?
So value chains.
So so just note that.
So I've been on point one and
just saying why, you know, this
angel's message is very
important and why 2026 is the
year that everybody has to just
rise up.
Yeah, right, that everything on
the earth created by God is
resource is useful.
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
SPEAKER_04: The soil just at the
back of your home can create
wealth.
I'm old enough to tell you.
I was just telling someone that,
you know, the type of wealth
we're talking about, right, is
what my mind captured even at
age three, at age four.
I come from the Igbo tribe,
right?
And farming was quite a big
deal.
And the the the the barns,
right?
The way that the yams were
arranged and all of that, that
was wealth in those days.
In those days.
Wealth, your yams and all of
that.
You know, and we talk about
digitization and we talk about
you know data uh management, we
talk about, you know what I
mean, all these things.
It started in the villages in
Africa.
Do you understand?
SPEAKER_02: True.
SPEAKER_04: Africans are
naturally endowed to create
wealth, to manage wealth, yeah,
and to transfer wealth.
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
SPEAKER_04: So Africans are
naturally endowed with knowledge
and understanding of value
chains.
You see.
So these are wealth is not the
money in the bank, and I'm gonna
come to that very quick, uh,
quickly.
So the second, he said, category
of people, he said, I open to
those who labor to know and
understand the will of God for
his earth realms.
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
SPEAKER_04: And I kind of think
the gentleman that you mentioned
is this those who labor.
So labor mentally.
And Africans, you cannot labor
mentally if you believe you're
under a curse.
Generational curse, bloodline
curse, this, that, that.
That's part of the doctrine that
caused the sin is gonna be
shaken.
Yeah, that's not for ecclesia.
Oh, I I asked Chad GPT, give me
reference of generational curse
in the book of Acts.
It will amaze you in Acts.
It's nothing like that.
It was short of telling me it's
rubbish.
He said, People believed in God,
they believed, you know, you
just need to go check this.
Okay.
So those who labor, those who
study, those who believe in, you
know what I mean, the dignity of
work.
Yeah, and not just name it and
get it, you know, and all of
this stuff.
SPEAKER_00: Diligence.
SPEAKER_04: Yes, exactly.
The diligent.
He says this I will open the
gate.
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
SPEAKER_04: So they're gonna get
more diligent, they're gonna get
more inspiration, yeah, they're
gonna have divine partners,
yeah.
They will be trusted, right?
To meet important people, they
will have the language, they
will have the knowledge.
Hey, Max, please can you help me
tell people?
Nothing just comes like that.
You're gonna work for it.
That's why we're not on Fob's
richest people's list.
Those who think and those who
thought are the ones on the
list.
So we gotta do the math.
Yeah, okay.
And I'm a woman of prayer, I'm a
very spiritual person.
So I'm not saying don't pray.
I'm not saying don't fast.
I'm not saying I'm saying you
gotta recognize the times and
recognize what scripture is
given for.
Yeah.
And understand that this angel,
it's crazy.
Everything that the angel said
is happening.
Like he says in this year, up to
2027, you see an alignment with
China and Russia, that's
happening.
Then breaks the BRICS nations.
Or God's gonna help us because
the alliance, if it's allowed,
what the the the outcome will
fallout?
We don't know.
And then it speaks about, you
know, just what will happen to
the economy of nations.
Yeah.
Speaks about the yen and the
dollar, you know, having this
conflict.
So there's a gentleman, wherever
he is, you know, apostle you
didn't tell who has been
watching over this word, and he
would, you know, message me when
something is on the news and all
that.
So remember, those who labor to
know and understand the will of
God for his earth realm.
So God is concerned for the
earth realm, every piece of it.
So those who bother to watch the
news, to watch what is
happening, yeah, and then pray
that what shouldn't happen, not
happen.
This angel says, Listen, I'll
give you guys visibility, right?
I'm I'm I'm I'm instructed to
open.
So, which means that God's
loaded what we need, right?
Yeah, and this angel is sitting
there, and the angel is not God,
it's a servant, it's a messenger
to us, lower than us.
Yeah, but it says, When you have
that understand, that desire, so
I'm gonna give you, right?
SPEAKER_00: So you you know,
from 2023, from the my record,
from the time of the encounter
till present, when I look at the
different timelines, we've seen
a lot of shifts.
You know, you see, economically
speaking, you know the issue of
uh space probing.
You know, you one of the
messages within the prophecy
when you were talking about was
a probe.
An asteroid.
Yes, yeah.
So there's been a lot of probes
ongoing there, NASA and the rest
of them probing, and you know,
you ask yourself, why are you
probing if there's nothing
there?
SPEAKER_04: And remember, the
asteroid is going on, it's a
six-year journey and it's going
to max in 2029.
Yeah, and the angel said by
2029, you and I should have had
enough money.
So here's God saying 2029.
NASA sent of this asteroid to
this place, right?
Is it asteroid even is called?
Right.
SPEAKER_00: Can you probe him?
And yeah, the probe is to probe
the asteroids from their search
and all that.
SPEAKER_04: An asteroid is
supposed to have more gold than
the world can even handle.
My god, that's really powerful.
Even last night, right?
I just sensed there was
something happening, it had
cosmic implications, and we're
checking NASA, and there is
right, there is uh I'll I'll try
and remember and tell you.
So we've got to come up to that
level.
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
SPEAKER_04: You see, where we're
operating at that level, right?
Because we're we're man god here
on the earth.
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
SPEAKER_04: We're where we're
man god.
We just have to believe that.
SPEAKER_00: There was this
currency war.
SPEAKER_04: Yes.
SPEAKER_00: From 2023, you know,
Russia, yeah, China, and it's
still happening now again.
And the US, you know.
Yes, the international transfer,
what do you mean?
Remember?
The Swiss code or something.
Yeah.
Russia had to like, okay, we
won't use this anymore.
And then China came up with this
thing where transfers happened
like you have to pay in UN or
you pay you buy in rubies as a
case, maybe.
So we did this period, we've
seen all of this.
I'm just corroborating.
SPEAKER_04: And and what you and
I are discussing right now at
this point, I think I came
across that, right?
Where maybe US just this is just
hypothetical, guys.
So if it took uh three weeks to
make a uh a dollar transfer
between nations, this is not
individuals, nations between
nations in that war, China
reduced the three weeks to like
three minutes.
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
SPEAKER_04: And everybody was
there, you know, and I wanted to
really go deep into that to just
understand.
So, what you and I are talking
about as sons of God, we have to
come to that level to understand
these shiftings, okay?
So that we can be in that space.
Because what this angel is
saying is that if we come up to
that level, that we're gonna be
given, we're gonna be making
made masters of these movements,
right?
We're not supposed to just be
there watching all this happen
on the news.
We are supposed to have masters.
SPEAKER_00: We're supposed to be
the news.
SPEAKER_04: Exactly.
We're supposed to have mastery,
we're supposed to be given,
right?
The intelligentsia, we're
supposed to be given.
We're so really ecclesia are
supposed to be man in NASA.
See what I'm saying?
I do.
Because on the fourth day, when
God created, you know, the sun,
the moon, the the stars, right?
For you know, times and
calendars and all that, we
remember that on the sixth day
he created man and gave man,
right?
Give man the right.
Say be fruitful and multiply.
Feel the uh the thing is have
dominion.
The thing is that Africa has
been thinking dominion is go and
sit on top of someone and we've
missed it.
So my passion and my mandate
this year is to make sure we
recover our minds, okay?
SPEAKER_00: I know you have you
have uh a summit coming up.
SPEAKER_04: Yes, wealth summit.
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
Let's talk about that.
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
So um to boost this, yeah, or I
don't want to say to boost it
like I had an idea, but the Lord
placed on me a burden, you know,
to go to Cape Town and hold a
global wealth summit.
So look at the timing with 2026
with what the angel has said,
okay?
So, you know, let me give you
the third category of people
here who opened it says those
who are yielded to God's plans
that they may go in to receive
keys to unlock treasures of
darkness.
I saw a golden key dug into the
ground of Cape Town.
I don't know anything about Cape
Town.
SPEAKER_00: You know where I'm
smiling about treasures of
darkness.
We who was I having this
conversation and the treasures
of darkness came up this very
perhaps this is the year for
that.
SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
SPEAKER_00: The treasures of
darkness.
And I was like, okay, when you
talk about darkness, it's not
like obscurity per se, but or
something spooky, but it's
something beyond hidden wisdom
that we've got to go to.
SPEAKER_04: Look at it, right?
Treasures of darkness.
SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
SPEAKER_04: Complex things made
the world system swallowed up
and and made complex.
I I hosted this thing called
Advance Um uh Advanced Ecclesia
in London, Ecclesia Advance,
Advance Ecclesia.
And one of the speakers began
to, I grew up in London when in
the age 16 and a half and all
that.
They cannot tell us.
I didn't even know this that
London was the richest um city,
perhaps in the world, right?
The amount of wealth in that
place.
I mean, this guy, the lecture,
it's on my YouTube, please.
If you can go access it, because
I have to go watch it myself as
well.
So this man was an expert.
He taught us so much about that
particular city, London.
And God has said, go there and
have this ecclesia advance.
And it was about wealth.
And remember, the Hollywood
conference was again about
wealth, about you know, the kind
of movies that must be made by
believers to bring back, you
know, the family, because out of
the family is gonna come these
people, right, who are gonna ask
for the wealth mandate.
Okay, so treasures of darkness.
I didn't even say this is you
give us keys to unlock.
So I saw Golden Key dogging the
land, you know, Cape Town.
I haven't researched Cape Town,
done anything about it.
Only two days ago that I got
videos of venue, right?
And um hidden riches in secret
places.
So I just believe that, and I'll
tell you what this is all about.
So, and and and he says the
fourth category is that the
people, those who see uh as the
Lord sees, so those who see
perspectives that they may
establish the kingdom of God
where they are positioned.
So your those who have godly,
kingly perspective, courageous,
audacious, you know, people who
are gonna receive, you know,
those mysteries and and and
believe to execute, right?
Says these are the people
because these people can be
trusted.
Wealth is not put trusted in the
hand of a child.
Jesus even said it says, I will
give you the keys to the kingdom
of heaven.
That's after I have built you as
a legislative uh uh assembly,
then I will give you the keys,
okay?
And it's interesting, it says
whatever you bind on earth, so
the action is you and I.
What action we take, heaven is
gonna support us, yeah, right?
So so whatever you bind on
earth, the bound in heaven,
right?
When Jacob you know got to
Bethel when he put his head on
that rock, you would think
natural thinking that the angels
will be coming from heaven, but
they were coming from the earth,
right?
To heaven.
So the angel exactly descended.
So the angel says, This is what
I'm gonna do.
So the whole thing about the
world summit and guys, the whole
thing about wealth, right?
The Lord said to me, every
believer, every one of you
listening to us, says, every
believer has been constituted to
secure wealth for three
generations.
It's an instruction, it's a
mandate.
So this conference is about
release of generations of three
three generations, generational
wealth.
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
SPEAKER_04: All right.
SPEAKER_00: So we can't when
when is it?
What time is it?
SPEAKER_04: It's in June.
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
SPEAKER_04: It's in June.
SPEAKER_00: It's the first week
of the year.
SPEAKER_04: So so Emmax, look at
this.
Go ahead.
So God says, everyone, you are
mandated to get wealth for three
generations.
You and three generations of
your bloodline.
He gives us the power to get
wealth.
What's wealth?
Wealth is not riches.
A rich man is not necessarily a
wealthy man.
Because your money, your riches
can filter in one day.
But wealth, what makes it
generational, is the quality of
decisions you take.
Can you see what I'm saying?
So think about that village um
picture of the yam, the ban.
Those women, those farmers,
those people were so rich, so
wealthy, they never lacked.
So, what it is, is your ability
to make investment decisions.
So that's the boundary of my
assignment.
So it's about investment, it's
about the decisions you make,
it's about your mind.
It's about your one dollar that
becomes one million dollars,
right?
And um, what's his name?
Is it Jak Ma?
You know the Alibaba guy?
Is it Ali?
Is he Ali?
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the Alibaba
guy.
SPEAKER_04: Do you know what the
guy said?
SPEAKER_00: Jak Ma.
SPEAKER_04: Jak Ma.
Yeah.
So I I teach this in my what in
my um wealth creation class.
This guy said, he said, I
didn't, I, I don't, I didn't do
anything.
I don't, I there was nothing
ingenious I did.
He said, look, I take your money
and I send you your goods.
He doesn't have a physical
warehouse or physical warehouses
all over the world.
Just had an idea.
An idea that transferred goods,
right?
Created services without any
overheads.
Think about it, guys.
This is crazy.
That's what you and I should be
operating.
But if you and I think our
great-grandfather stopped us,
our neighbor has stopped us, our
this has stopped us.
You see, listen, Africa has been
held down by doctrines such as
generational curse, such as, I
mean, some people say blood
bloodline curse, this, that.
It's crazy.
Let me tell you what it is.
This is not to say that
generational, I don't even think
you and I as new creation
ecclesia.
I'm radical enough to say this.
Let theologians have the
conversation.
I don't think you and I should
be talking about generational
curse according to Galatians
chapter 3, right?
SPEAKER_00: Right.
SPEAKER_04: We make the cross of
no effect.
Here's how you and I remember
what I said that every season
scripture is given to us to
manage the times, the seasons,
to administrate, to keep
discipling nations, to keep
winning souls, to keep our
cities, our spaces transformed.
You and I have a mandate to come
up with ingenuity, right?
Like they did in the times in
Egypt, right?
Where you don't have open
gutters, where you don't have
light issues.
Come on.
I grew up in Biafra.
How did they make all those
things that were being used?
I was a Biafra, not a soldier.
SPEAKER_03: You know, our
playtime was we were soldiers
and we had to match.
So that was our playtime anyway.
Come back to this.
SPEAKER_04: So you and I have
been given ingenious minds.
Yeah.
If you're a believer, you're
mandated.
Yeah, remember wealth is in the
decision you make Amax.
Your 10,000 naira put in the
right stocks, yeah.
Buying even one thing, and how
you manage the one thing, all
right?
So I sat in this property in
London and I looked at this
stuff.
And I said, These people have
fulfilled this generational
wealth thing.
Okay.
So the value of that apartment,
if the children of the owner,
that so they inherited from
their parents, if they sold that
apartment, they would have
enough to buy their own, and
their children will have enough
to buy.
That's three generations.
SPEAKER_00: Three generations.
SPEAKER_04: See what I'm saying?
Yeah.
So here's what I'm saying, guys.
And I'm not being like, I'm not
hitting on Africans, neither am
I hitting on Europeans, neither.
I'm just saying to believers,
here's what the scripture says,
all right.
But I'm addressing something
that the Lord uh spoke to me,
right?
Right.
Spoke to me.
So that's my mandate, right?
So don't hit on me for my
mandate, right?
That we have to come out of this
understanding that somehow what
your
great-great-great-grandfather
did is has the ability to stop
you from it's lazy, but lazy
thinking.
SPEAKER_00: Jesus took that
away.
SPEAKER_04: This is it, but
yeah, people have bang on about
this.
And have you noticed that people
like all this mysterious stuff?
Somehow you just feel so so cool
that you're then bringing people
out of, right?
But we're called to set them
free.
Here's what we need to begin to
tell everyone.
Yeah, there are generational
patterns, all right?
Right.
So that's how I teach it.
So breaking free from the curse
of haran.
What makes it a curse is that
you yourself have a mistake, an
error in your family that is
like a booby trap, landmine, and
you walk into it, right?
If everybody else has been
diabetic, shouldn't you really
decide you're not gonna be?
Change your diet, change your
way of life.
You can beat this.
Your body is controlled by your
mind.
Your mind doesn't control your
body.
You know?
Body is controlled by your mind.
But we think that our body
controls our mind.
So our minds control our bodies,
you see.
So once you believe that you're
cursed, bloodline, curse, then
you're gonna believe it.
Right?
And you're gonna, yeah.
But once you take what I'm
saying to you, test it, the
Bible says test all things.
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
SPEAKER_04: Folly.
So in today's, right?
In in present truth, and
especially now that God is
telling us go into the world,
make investments, buy property,
think about it even, Amax.
When you think about it, you're
going to start to regulate your
finances.
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
SPEAKER_04: Your financial
planning will, you know, in
fact, even your enjoyment,
right?
So if I have dinner of a hundred
thousand, I'm going to be
thinking how I'm going to make
it back up.
And I'm not thinking.
In my community, we don't, since
we stopped, I taught my people
never to say destiny helper.
People started to grow.
Because once you think destiny
helper, you're going to have a
picture.
You have a suggestion of who
this destiny helper is.
SPEAKER_00: Should look like.
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
But when the destiny, you call
them destiny partner, you
activated scripture, Genesis
8.22.
As long as the earth remains.
Seed time and harvest.
So anyone that sows into your
life, you're giving them the
opportunity.
SPEAKER_00: That's true.
That's true.
A pardon.
SPEAKER_04: So you're giving
them a you're giving them
opportunity.
So no one should feel like
somebody's god.
You have this God there, they've
just suddenly come to change
your life and all that.
So remember, you're what you
think.
So when you think, you know, so
you sow into my life because
generosity, be fruitful and
multiply.
So this angel, so we're going to
um Cape Town, and we believe
that we're gonna there's
something will be unlocked.
And I believe that Africa has
the wealth mandate.
I believe that what was on
Egypt, ancient civilization has
multiplied all over you know
Africa.
And so we're going to Cape Town,
and we're going, you know, on
the foundation of what this
angel said.
And I really would, you know,
want as many Christians, right?
We can fit into these four
categories.
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
SPEAKER_04: I can say, yes,
Lord, trust me with your you
know, wealth principles.
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
SPEAKER_04: And especially this
year where you know um we're
coming into our kingly nature,
what that means is our ability
to rule, govern.
So if you're given an
opportunity, before you can rule
over that opportunity, right,
you must come into the
discipline of governance.
Every one of us, you see what
I'm saying?
Remember, if you think a max
that you have a responsibility
to secure three generations of
your bloodline.
SPEAKER_00: Definitely.
SPEAKER_04: Right?
You're meant to release the
generational blessings.
What's your problem with
generational curses, right?
You're not going to be, you
can't be thinking that because
you can't make mistakes.
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
SPEAKER_04: I deliberately write
down errors I see in my
bloodline.
And I say, I'm not gonna do it.
This pattern stops.
No, I have a plan for what I'm
going to do to this age, to that
age.
The reason you've been kept
alive to see the mistakes is
that you don't repeat them.
Yeah, it becomes a curse when
you repeat them, not before you
repeat them.
Do you know what I love about
God?
Everything that God teaches
through his spirit makes sense.
Uh that's kingdom dimension.
SPEAKER_02: It does.
SPEAKER_04: And you know, we're
of the same tribe.
And and this is why I love it.
And honestly, uh, we're in an
era to 2030 going forward of
God's wisdom being hidden in
mysteries.
Yeah.
So uh everyone listening to us,
you you have to develop a
capacity to meditate, to think,
to be quiet, to have quiet
times.
You see what I mean?
Yeah.
So that you can receive that
secret, that principle.
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
SPEAKER_04: And then you have to
understand sonship.
This is what I teach my people,
what the Lord told me.
The prophecies in your thoughts.
God dwells in your thoughts.
So there's a lot of people
looking for God everywhere.
And so there's a lot of confused
Christians.
So this is a year that we gotta
understand that God dwells in
your thoughts.
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
SPEAKER_04: So you're going to
miss God if you don't esteem
yourself.
If you perceive yourself as
cursed, then you are.
Then you're never gonna have the
enough esteem to trust in your
in your uh in the ingenious
ideas that will come to you.
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
SPEAKER_04: Because you're
already cursed.
Why would you have a good idea
if you think you're cursed?
Right?
So I'm saying to you guys,
revelation is progressive.
SPEAKER_00: Revelation is
progressive indeed.
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and if you
notice that theology or that
doctrine, let's put it that way,
not theology, please forgive me.
That doctrine is endemic in
Africa.
Yes, it is, and has locked us
down, and we don't feel good
enough.
But the people who brought it to
you have moved from there, they
have.
I love this patriarchal father
now in heaven.
God bless you, Peter Wagner.
He wrote a book about 17
theological shifts he made.
What a man! Every time God
visited what he believed, yes,
he noted it, he shared it.
I love another one, uh Jack uh
Deer.
I referenced him in my book,
Issacamandate, I read him.
This man, you know, doctor, a
professor of theology, never
believed that God spoke to
anyone.
And when God visited him, he
documented this in a book, how
God visited him.
And I forget the title of the
book now, but it's just about
surprised by God's voice is
called.
So I think it's gonna be
fundamentally important that we
come into that sonship
dimension, the kingly dimension
of sonship.
We've been in the priestly
dimension, so pray, pray, pray,
pray, pray, pray, pray.
I'm a woman, I top prayer for 30
years.
Oh, and you know what?
Prayers conversation with God.
SPEAKER_00: Yes, it is.
SPEAKER_04: What it is is be 24
hours open to God to hear him.
You will know when someone
bigger than you has spoken to,
Abby, you're gonna know.
So you can't really, you see,
people beat themselves down, put
themselves down all the time,
all the time.
And if you do that, you're not
gonna be part of what we're
talking about.
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
SPEAKER_04: Right?
Think about it, right?
SPEAKER_02: I mean studying the
soil, right?
SPEAKER_04: No, I mean, I came
into Nigeria this time, Amax,
and food wasn't tasted like
food.
Everything was just like funny
taste, funny taste.
And there are sons of God here.
We need to go back to ensure
that the soil is not giving
chemicals that are gonna kill
the people.
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
SPEAKER_04: You see what I'm
saying?
SPEAKER_00: True.
SPEAKER_04: So there's a lot of
money to be made.
We're called to be wealthy, he's
giving us the power to get
wealth, and that's what you and
I have been talking about for
two years.
SPEAKER_00: I really appreciate
this, this session.
But before you say your goodbyes
and I let you go, I know you
have one thing left to say to
the audience.
SPEAKER_04: Eyes have not seen,
ears have not heard.
Nor has it, you know, been
comprehended by man the things
that God has for those who love
him.
Do you love him?
If we love him, right, we have
to understand.
So a lot of people are waiting
for wealth transfer with a
mindset that somebody's money is
coming to them.
It's not gonna happen.
And a lot of people, I just
can't even think that God is
doing a major distribution of
wealth, right?
So that's happening.
But beyond that now, that's
happened, and a lot of people in
church don't even know that.
There's been distribution and
redistribution of wealth is just
going round, it's just going
round, it's just going round.
Right.
And um now it's not a
redistribution of wealth, right?
Because some of us are beyond
that now.
No one's taking handouts for
anyone.
SPEAKER_01: Nobody.
SPEAKER_04: You know, everything
is in a thought.
God told me that, you know,
breakthrough is in a thought.
He says everything began with a
thought.
The Lord told me even Ivy League
universities were built by a
thought.
The woman with the issue of
blood, the Bible says she said,
if only I could touch.
She didn't touch before it
happened.
She said, if only I could touch
the hem of his garment.
So the minute she thought it, it
already ceased.
Yeah.
And that was a physical
manifestation.
So, you know, so you are not
just a creative, such a
brilliant man.
You're an Isaka prophet, you are
uh a futuristic person.
And that's why um I felt that we
could revisit this conversation
because it's a two-year-long
conversation and the time's come
to have it again.
The Bible says to everything
there's a season of time for
every purpose in heaven, and who
else?
So this is a continuation.
So we're really partners in
this.
And to say to everyone, whatever
God's giving you, you have a
partner.
Yeah, and we're in a time of the
Hebron to Jerusalem shift.
What's that?
We're in a year where you can't
get anywhere on your own.
God's giving you partners,
people.
So don't resist, right?
People are gonna come literally,
it's not a time.
Kings are carried, kings are
served.
So don't just be like, you know,
me, myself, and I.
It's not a time for that, right?
So God's gonna give you people,
right?
So Hebron is where David's
enemies and friends and
everybody have to come to
acceptance that nah this
person's got a good idea.
We gotta go, and we have to
shift them back.
So they move you from Jerusalem.
SPEAKER_03: That's the place of
sitting on your throne.
So here we are.
We're partners in this, and I
know I'm gonna see you in Cape
Town.
SPEAKER_04: And uh, I hope to
see many of you.
We're just going there to put
our foot down where God is.
We have to follow the footprints
of God.
So, whatever it is that is in
Cape Town, the key that is there
to unlock treasures of darkness,
hidden riches, and secret
places, that angel over the
global economy is directing us
there because that angel is
mandated to serve us, and we are
not gonna believe that we're
under some curse that is gonna
stop us from coming into world.
No, everyone that God ever used
in the Bible came from
dysfunction, glory there.
There was all full of
dysfunction, right?
Until Jesus came and cured
everything.
And so if you're accepting
dysfunction, the dysfunction
right narrative, then you're
not, you're just gonna take
yourself out of this, right?
You gotta just say, uh this
we're not talking about riches.
So we're not talking about a
contract to get money in a bank.
No, we're talking about the
wisdom of God, an idea that
gives you even a dollar.
So what now makes you different
from the bilonia already is the
investment you make with your
one dollar that suddenly makes
you wealthier than that
billionaire.
It could be in relationship, it
could be in whatever.
So we hope to see you in Cape
Town.
SPEAKER_03: Thank you so much
for this conversation for the
opportunity to revisit two years
ago.
Guys, I hope we raised an army
through this.
SPEAKER_00: Yes, by his grace,
and we will.
It's been an amazing hour plus,
yeah.
You know, when you're doing what
you enjoy, time steps aside.
And uh, not to just overflog it.
We are here.
Part of the reason why we are
here is because you're there.
And you know how I say it on the
show.
This is the space where we come
in, you know, to lean on one and
others' experience to forge a
positive path.
We've been listening to Obi-Pax
Harry, the apostle.
Amazing, amazing, amazing uh
information uh she's come to
share with us on the show and
putting it out there.
I've decided to do this because
I just have this nudge on the
inside.
It's part of what we should do
on the show, you know, to create
that what I call it shift, the
paradigm, that shift in our
mind, in our hearts, issues in
our lives, and revealed in our
services.
So, well, you know how we do it
on the show.
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Bye for now, Apostle?
SPEAKER_04: Bye for now,
everyone.