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Speaker 1: Okay, hello there.
Good morning, good afternoon,
good evening, good everything.
Welcome to the Word Cafe live
show.
How are you?
I will always ask that question
.
Yes, like I always say, it's
not rhetorical, but it goes to
show that I care, we care,
within this space.
Largely, why we're here is
because you are there, listening
, watching, you know you're part
of this show, part of our story
and all of that.
So how are you?
I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine.
You know, before coming in
today, I was just reminiscing on
things that have been happening
globally.
Globally, yes, from the east to
the west, north, south, global,
north, global south.
I'm in Abuja, nigeria, you know
, and all of that, and this kind
of comes around what we want to
talk about today.
I heard this quote from Jumoke
Odenowo, the renowned architect,
and in one of her teachings I
came across, she said this you
know, leadership is the thread
that runs through everything.
Leadership is so central, focal
in every development.
Any society that develops is
very central.
Focal in every development.
Any society that develops is
very central.
Leadership is very central.
We've had a lot of definitions,
you know, from John Maxwell to
Marcus Aurelius, socrates to
Julius Caesar and all of that.
But one thing is central when
you look at leadership.
It is people-centric and
person-driven.
It is what, people-centric and
person-driven, every society
kind of look for, that innately,
look for that personalityately,
look for that personality that
will carry out something and all
of a sudden he or she is the
champion and is now like the
standard, he's the leader, and
we hear people make references
and all of that.
So I asked myself this question
how do you develop that?
So I came myself this question
how do you develop that?
So I came across this piece and
I'm going to read it.
It's not mine, but I saw it and
I see we should have it on the
show.
It was done by Terry Jackson, a
TEDx speaker.
I'm going to read quickly.
Then we jump into what we have
for today.
Leaders with elevated minds and
spirits possess a rare ability
to see beyond short-term gains,
personal ambitions or fleeting
success.
They recognize the grand
interconnectedness of time,
purpose and human progress.
Such leaders are not merely
strategists.
They are stewards of
transformation driven by a
vision that extends beyond their
own lifetime.
But how do we develop such
leaders and how can they turn
cultivate organizations that
reflect their depth of wisdom
and purpose?
Food for thought?
And when I saw this I said la,
it more or less speaks to what
we want to talk about today.
Like I said, people-centric,
person-driven, people-centric
person-driven.
So recently I was looking at the
life of Daniel.
Yes, from the scriptures Do you
know that?
A close look, or a closer look
of the life of Daniel, you come
to see that he was one person
who really defined leadership.
Daniel lived in a time when the
world, in my opinion, still
developing you know, we may call
that from the ancient, as it
were and that was when Daniel
existed.
But this is why I focused on
Daniel.
Daniel was under four kings.
Daniel uplived four kings and I
was like, how kings?
And I was like, how, how would
an individual outlive four kings
?
He was so relevant that each
dispensation more or less made
reference, or what I say, refer
to him, introduce him.
So I had some things written
down, I did a little bit of work
and I'm going to read through
it.
Let us look at the life of
Daniel.
He represents that leadership
that hinges on personality.
So he started with
Nebuchadnezzar, elshazer, darius
the maid, cyrus the great.
These were people, or rather
dispensations, that he outlived.
We start with Nebuchadnezzar
Nebuchadnezzar II, 605 to 562 BC
.
That was when he existed
Timeline.
Daniel was taken to Babylon as
a young man around 605 BC,
that's before Christ, during
Nebuchadnezzar's first siege of
Jerusalem.
You find that in Daniel,
chapter 1, verse 1 to 7.
And the Babylonian court and
rose to prominence after
interpreting Nebuchadnezzar's
dream about the statue Daniel 2.
He witnessed Nebuchadnezzar's
descent into madness and his
eventual restoration Daniel,
chapter 4.
If you go through there, you
will see that key role.
He was an advisor, interpreter
of dreams.
He was an advisor, interpreter
of dreams.
2.
Belshazzar 553 to 539 BC the
timeline here.
Belshazzar was the co-regent
with his father, nebodos
Nabonidos I beg your pardon,
that's his name and ruled
Babylon in its later years.
Daniel served in Belshazzar's
court during his time.
Let us look at the things that
surrounded it.
The famous writing on the wall.
Writing on the wall yes, you
remember that.
Mene Mene Tekel Ophazin
occurred during Belshazzar's
feast, where Daniel interpreted
the writing predicting the fall
of Babylon.
Daniel, chapter 5.
The same night, babylon was
conquered by the Medo-Persian
Empire under Cyrus the Great and
Belshazzar was killed.
But Daniel was still there.
His key role interpreter of
God's judgment.
Three Darius the Maid.
There's a third king.
He served on the 539 to 536 BC.
That was the timeline.
Darius is believed to have been
the subordinate ruler or
governor under Cyrus the Great.
After the Persian conquest of.
So you see now, from Babylon to
Persia, daniel was still there.
Conquest of Babylon Events.
The events surrounding Daniel
was appointed as one of the
three administrators over the
kingdom of.
Over the kingdom, I beg your
pardon.
Daniel, chapter 6, verse 1 to 3
.
The famous event in the lion's
den occurred during Darius'
reign, after Daniel's enemies,
you know, plotted against him.
Daniel, chapter 6, verse 4 to
24.
His key role administrator and
faithful servant of god.
Cyrus the great.
Timeline cyrus the great, the
founder of the persian empire,
issued the decree allowing the
jewish exiles to return to
jerusalem.
You find this in exra, chapter
1, verse 1 to 4, and isaiah 44,
verse 28.
Events.
While daniel's specific
activities under Cyrus are less
detailed, he likely served in an
advisory capacity.
Daniel received significant
visions, including the prophecy
of the 70 weeks during this time
.
Daniel, chapter 9, verse 1 to
27.
His key role prophet and
visionary.
So when you look at the
timelines, you saw it Four kings
.
So Daniel survived and served
on the four kings over a period
of approximately 70 years,
beginning as a young man and
continuing into his old age.
He began as a teenager until
his old age.
Now the question is, what made
him so different?
What gave daniel a that edge
was remarkable that today we
refer to him.
So now, when you look at the
life of Daniel, you know
approximately 70 years.
It was remarkable considering
the political instability,
regime changes and hostile
environments he encountered.
You know, in Nigeria there's
this word for those of us who
are conversant with the Nigerian
political climate ajib.
Every government in power Some
of us tend to like look down on
this guy.
He's always every, I mean each
government.
You see him.
And all of that.
Daniel was an ajib.
He was in every government.
But listen, he was not a
sycophant.
Why did he, or why was he so
crucial to all of these kings,
all of these civilizations, all
of these changes?
Let us see it One his
unwavering faith and devotion to
God.
So Daniel remains steadfast in
his faith, refusing to
compromise his beliefs despite
immense pressure.
You know, sometimes we come to
think that there's always a
perfect situation for governance
.
It's not true.
It is the individual who
subjects those imperfections.
He subjects, he or she subjects
it.
So Daniel was he faced that
kind of, but he stood, he prayed
three times a day.
So see his devotion, if you see
that in Daniel, chapter 6,
verse 10.
So he knew his sauce and he was
consistent in seeking the face
of God, his guidance, even at
the risk of death, as we see in
the lion's den.
His prophetic vision and
interpretation showed his close
relationship with God.
He gave wisdom beyond human
understanding.
That's Daniel.
You know one of the stories, the
story of Nebuchadnezzar.
When he had the dream and he
called his wise men the
magicians.
If you read somewhere in Daniel
, chapter one or two I think, he
said Daniel was the chief of
the magicians.
That's a discussion for another
day.
So they asked him to tell us
the dream that we interpreted
and he said no, I want you to
tell me the dream and interpret
it.
It was like how are we going to
tell you your dream?
We were not in that dream with
you, how do we?
But daniel said no problem, I
will tell you the dream.
Daniel went to pray and god
showed daniel the details, every
detail, and daniel came, told
the king word for word, and
interpreted it.
That was when the king knew
that this guy was operating in
another level.
The way the word of God
described it said he had the
spirit of the gods Two
excellence and integrity in
service.
Daniel distinguished himself
with an excellent spirit.
You see that word, daniel,
chapter 6, verse 3.
You see an excellent spirit,
meaning he was diligent,
competent and incorruptible in
his duties.
You know, we tend to see
excellence as something esoteric
.
You know, it's just, it's not
of this world.
No, daniel operated within the
framework of excellence.
He said the spirit, the
consciousness, the mind of
excellence.
So he was a definition.
Righteousness, the mind of
excellence, so he was a
definition.
Even under foreign rule he
served loyally and effectively.
Remember, he's a Jew or he was
a Jew.
He was a Jew.
He was not in Jerusalem, he was
in another, another country.
Without betraying his
principles.
His integrity made it difficult
for his enemies to find faults
in his conduct.
They found that difficult.
It's like saying Daniel had a
personal atmosphere.
He subjected the environment to
his atmosphere, more like
terraforming.
Everywhere he went to he
changed it, and I'm not speaking
above your head.
Three wisdom and strategic
diplomacy.
He navigated court politics,
yes, skillfully.
Daniel was a politician,
knowing when to speak and when
to remain silent.
He addressed kings with respect
.
He spoke to power Even when
delivering difficult messages.
Interpreting the book of Genesis
, dream of judgment in Daniel 4.
Imagine Daniel telling the king
about his dream.
Your dream is this you are
judged.
Imagine you standing in front
of the strongest man in the
world today telling them the
truth.
Okay, I leave that to your
imagination.
Instead of outright rebellion,
he walked within the system,
using wisdom to influence
decisions, you know, requesting
a dire change in Daniel 1.
Like I said a while ago, some
of us think we're going to see a
perfect system.
Not like until we have a
perfect system.
That's when we're going to
operate.
No, we subject the imperfection
to our perfection.
If you understand what I mean
by that.
Supernatural fever and divine
protection.
God granted Daniel fever in the
eyes of kings, beginning with
Nebuchadnezzar, who elevated him
after interpreting his dreams.
Even when feast with death the
lion's den in Daniel 6, god
miraculously intervened.
His ability to interpret dreams
and visions set him apart,
showing God's supernatural
guidance in his life.
Can you imagine that For a
minute?
Just imagine that he operated
in a supernatural favor.
He was so aware of it, he was
so conscious of it.
Adaptability to change you know
changing regimes.
Unlike others who resisted new
rulers I hope you're getting
something from this, as I am,
even, as I'm sharing this with
you Unlike others who resisted
new rulers.
Daniel adapted to Each
kingdom's administration While
maintaining his faith, finding
the will and the purpose of God
In every situation.
That's what I see here.
When Babylon fell to the
Persians, daniel seamlessly
transitioned into a key role
under Darius the maid and Cyrus
the great.
He understood times and seasons
.
We've spoken about that on this
show.
Knowing when to act and when to
wait.
About that on this show.
Knowing when to act and when to
wait we see that in Daniel,
chapter 9, verse 2.
Studying Jeremiah's prophecies
on Israel's return, he was a
good scholar.
He read, yes, he engaged with
text, so he wasn't just speaking
from nonsense or unknown.
You see, courage in the face of
opposition.
Dahlia never compromised his
faith, even when it could cost
him his life.
Refusing to stop praying, he
confronted kings with boldness,
interpreting dreams and giving
warnings without fear.
Without fear, he was willing to
stand alone, even when others
conformed.
His friends Shadrach, meshach
and Abednego showed the same,
you know, when they went into
that fairy furnace.
So Daniel's life and that of
his friends became a platform
for divinity to express himself.
Truth.
They became the standard
long-term vision and prophetic
insight.
Daniel understood that his life
was part of a bigger divine plan
.
He was not just surviving, but
playing a role in God's
unfolding purpose.
His visions gave him a
long-term perspective, helping
him endure challenges with faith
in God, ultimately winning,
becoming the victor.
He influenced kings and future
generations, ensuring that God's
message continued beyond his
lifetime.
Guys, daniel survived.
He wasn't just a survivor, he
survived.
He wasn't just about the
political skill.
It was a combination of divine
favor, integrity, wisdom, faith,
adaptability and courage.
He remained faithful to God
while excelling in his early
duties, making him indispensable
to every ruler he served.
Would you like, would you like
to be like daniel?
Obviously so.
This is what I came to do on
the show today, to point us.
A lot of us have been
complaining I'm speaking now
specifically to my nation, my
country, nigeria.
A lot of us have been
complaining.
We're looking for the perfect
situation.
We're waiting, so to say, for
the right condition.
We're waiting, so to say, for
the right condition.
We're waiting.
No, we created, just like
Daniel.
We created, we don't wait for
it.
True, we just saw all the
characteristics, the quality.
One thing made Daniel to stand
out.
What was that?
He walked with God.
He knew it beyond a shadow of
doubt.
His life was not just like
anything.
It wasn't meant for nothing.
He knew it and he pursued it
and he lived.
I'm very sure even daniel yes,
he saw, uh, alexander the great
in his vision, if you read the
scriptures carefully.
He didn't live to see alexander
physically speaking, but he saw
it in his vision the leopard
with four wings that flew the
rise of the Greek empire.
He was powerful, but his power
came from God, his God.
He knew it.
He knew it beyond a shadow of
doubt, and that is what we need
as a people.
That is what we need.
I speak to this generation.
I talk, I mean, what I'm saying
is for you.
In our nation, nigeria, we want
to see that change.
We want to see it.
Hello, what's your life?
Do you know why you're here now
?
Yes, now, now, now, this very
instant, today, now.
Do you know why?
Oh, you are not just here for
no reason.
You are here for a reason.
Like I will always say, I was
created for a purpose according
to god's.
With my eyes on Jesus, the
author and the finisher, I am in
contact with my destiny, I'm
focused on it, I'm committed to
the end.
I'm stable as a rock.
I'm restrained from beating the
air.
No opposition can break my
focus.
I'm fighting a good fight and
I'm gaining the mastery daily.
I'll win the crown and I'll
fulfill, not mine but his
purpose.
What's your purpose?
Just like Daniel, he knew his
purpose and, within God's mind,
he saw himself.
He was a channel.
He became a platform.
Yes, that's what we came to do
on the show today.
I hope this has blessed you, as
it has blessed me too.
All right, guys, I will leave
you now.
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show.
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